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  1. Matt Phillips is offline
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    NOTE TO SELF - MOAR GRAPPLE - GET A NORMAL HAIR CUT - REPEAT

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    Thanks for getting me to look at this critically. I haven't had this many people concerned about my joints since I put a Black Uhuru dub LP on the family stereo in HS.
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    About the original point of the thread, as I couldn't care less about Matt's joints.

    I'm fat. 285-315lbs 6'3" All of my muscle is in my legs. My arms, upper back, shoulders, and chest, are nearly useless. Granted, as I lose weight I'm squatting often, and heavy, so I'm keeping the leg muscles.

    Though, at the end of the day what's it matter if a fat guy is strong, or a bowl of jello?
    I do not aspire to be great, or even good, I hope to suck a little less then last class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    Ever look at the legs and back of a girl that's getting heavy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ignatzami View Post
    Though, at the end of the day what's it matter if a fat guy is strong, or a bowl of jello?
    The point was to estimate how much muscle is involved in stabilizing/moving the extra weight, and then think about ways to retain it (or at least the strength level) while cutting the fat.
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    Matt if you want to run with resistance but avoid the scorn of weights try a parachute or a partner with elastic bands. Thousands of pro athletes can't be wrong. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    Matt if you want to run with resistance but avoid the scorn of weights try a parachute or a partner with elastic bands. Thousands of pro athletes can't be wrong. :P

    If he's looking strictly to keep his "fat dude muscle", it seems that the resistance there isn't really in the right plane. Kinda like how some people shadowbox with weights in their hands- they're providing resistance downward, when doing a movement that's forward. Here, the weight would provide resistance laterally instead of straight down (like fat does naturally).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    The point was to estimate how much muscle is involved in stabilizing/moving the extra weight, and then think about ways to retain it (or at least the strength level) while cutting the fat.
    Where-ever you suspect you have more muscle from your fat period, work it harder and more often. How you do that is up to you; I did deadlifts, front squats, chin-ups and pull-ups (chair assisted because... 360lbs. A bit much to pull up.) Every day if I didn't feel sore from the previous day, which pretty much amounted to doing them every day with the occasional day off.

    If you think about it, your approach of using weighted vests and the like may be self-defeating in the long run. Unless you plan on training like that forever, eventually you are going end up losing that muscle. It might be better to repurpose what you can and let the rest go. Build up the areas that aren't as strong so that you can blunt the metabolism drop that comes with losing muscle.

    Previous disclaimer still applies: not an expert.
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    Been thinking about this thread and my experience as a little guy with fat guys. Hear me out but I don't think your fat guy muscle is muscle you want to keep. If it is mostly muscle in your legs and back and general weight bearing support muscle what good is it doing you in your fight training? You aren't piggy backing people and if you do compete wouldn't that muscle do you more favors in different parts of your body for the same weight?
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    The bottom line is this: You can't gain everything while giving up nothing. Making progress in one arena requires sacrifice in others. Your martial arts skill, for example, is directly correlated to how much training time you put in. The more time you sacrifice, the more skills you receive in return. If you want to make substantial physique changes, you're going to have to accept that there are probably going to be some sacrifices along the way. Guys who bulk up in general add more fat than they wanted in the process, and guys who lean down generally lose more muscle than they wanted. These sacrifices can be minimized, but not prevented entirely.

    But also, why would you be so caught up in keeping the "fat guy" muscle anyway? The specificity principle dictates that the muscle you gain tends to be geared specifically toward the physical demand that was required to gain it in the first place. I would rather have leg and back muscles that were built up through doing squats and deadlifts than equally large muscles that were developed as a last-ditch effort to keep you able to stand up because you got too fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaeBo_Master View Post
    But also, why would you be so caught up in keeping the "fat guy" muscle anyway? The specificity principle dictates that the muscle you gain tends to be geared specifically toward the physical demand that was required to gain it in the first place. I would rather have leg and back muscles that were built up through doing squats and deadlifts than equally large muscles that were developed as a last-ditch effort to keep you able to stand up because you got too fat.
    Thanks! Thats what I was trying to say.
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