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  1. Matt Phillips is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    Perhaps you are missing your flawed assumption: Fat people are not at a greater risk of joint problems due to the weight.
    It's not exactly my assumption; I'm just granting it to him for the sake of argument.


    So, even if you believe there is no difference in the type of weight being carried, you still need to reevaluate whether your assumption is correct and/or it's worth the risk before you decide it's okay for your joints.
    I'm just saying, at some point you have to say: "If you don't have any history of joint problems, and you are able to run without pain, then feel free to jog (even if you're fat)". If you can accept this, then you should accept wearing a 5 pound weight belt to replace 5 pounds of fat you lost exercising. Issues specifically with ankle/wrist weights are extraneous.

    FWIW, runners strapping weights to their extremities fell out of mainstream favor over 20 years ago.
    I understand that this is not the norm, but I also pay very little attention to mainstream fitness wisdom. Everything "fitness wisdom" has ever told me to do has been retracted a few years later. At this point I want your personal experience or peer reviewed research before I ditch something that's working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    At this point I want your personal experience or peer reviewed research before I ditch something that's working.
    Running sucks ass and is hard enough on the joints in the first place without multiplying a weight's leverage by putting it on your ankles.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Matt,

    Running with the extra weight can't be good on the knees, hips and ankles without added muscle support.

    Speaking long term of course. At our age, you've already put some wear and tear on the joints. Seems that adding weight while running will put more impact on areas already starting to show some breakdown.

    Just throwing this out for consideration.
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    I grant that ankle weights are stupid, and really only simulate having fat feet; Really my comments are about weighted vests.

    As far as running goes, I've only recently started doing running with the weights on. My regular routine involved walking 2-2.5 miles with 48 pounds of weights plus a 20lb kettlebell. That should be a no-impact exercise, right?

    I think one reason I may be tolerating this better than most is that, while I had been heavy for a while, I have never owned a car, and so have been walking much, much more than the average American. I won't stop running, but I might stop running with weights on...
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    The two things I said above are not conflicting statements. While her primary goal wasn't to maintain muscle mass, it was a side effect of the method she used for healthy weight loss. She can lift significantly more than when she started, so I think it is safe to say that she has gained muscle mass rather than lost it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryjoe View Post
    Matt,

    Running with the extra weight can't be good on the knees, hips and ankles without added muscle support.

    Speaking long term of course. At our age, you've already put some wear and tear on the joints. Seems that adding weight while running will put more impact on areas already starting to show some breakdown.

    Just throwing this out for consideration.
    I'm considering stopping, but factor this in: I've been walking my whole life (instead of driving). Before I started running with the weight I spent months doing multi-mile walks with more than twice as many weights on . I'm pretty sure I do have needed muscle support build up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by money View Post
    The two things I said above are not conflicting statements. While her primary goal wasn't to maintain muscle mass, it was a side effect of the method she used for healthy weight loss. She can lift significantly more than when she started, so I think it is safe to say that she has gained muscle mass rather than lost it.
    Not necessarily; see whiteshark's initial comments. Strength gains can be neurological and/or the result of improved technique.
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    Fair enough. Good luck with your program.
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    Point taken.

    I'm a middle aged guy with knees that are starting to break down. Mostly due to years of running and subsequent muscle loss from rarely running anymore.

    My avatar is a close approximation of my current build (-:
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryjoe View Post
    My avatar is a close approximation of my current build (-:
    LMAO!
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