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    Quote Originally Posted by SifuJason View Post
    The idea behind the diet TaeBo_Master presented (which is the same as what I suggested), is that prevents metabolic muscle loss as much as possible. As you pointed out weight loss = load loss = muscle atrophy (though it is mild). And a 2:1 ratio isn't bad, and that probably isn't the highest ratio either.
    I'm thinking of periodizing into a cut phase with a restricted diet, and a build phase with extra caloric intake, each running around 3 months, and synchronized to the seasons. Seems to me something like that happens in the natural environment (ie:energy intake, activity level changing several times a year)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    I've been doing this for about 10 months and the only joint injuries I have are from grip exercises.

    Remember, my body was already used to the exact same weight before. I just add external weights to stand in for the body weight I have lost. I was running with an extra 33 pounds, but I've lost 39 pounds since I started this training cycle. I'm actually working out at 6 pounds less than I started.

    I wouldn't recommend that someone just throw on a 50lb vest and start doing wind sprints, but if the person is coming down from overweight (or obese) I don't see how your body wouldn't be able to handle the weight; it already is handling it (internally). As long as the worn weight is added to replace weight that is coming off, at about the same rate.
    You have to be careful with weight vests, ankle weights, and wrist weights they can damage and hurt your joints and ligaments. No, it isn't going to appear in a short time. When you feel it, it will be too late to reverse any damage.

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    Hmm... how is it different having 10 pounds of fat on my torso, or 10 pounds of weight in my vest? How can your joints tell the difference?
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    restricted diets will cause significant loss of muscle mass

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    They have a very good point about not doing cardio with weights on. Just because you were carrying that weight before doesn't mean it wasn't hurting your joints, and you probably weren't putting them under the stress you are now.

    Here's my wife's recommendation to get the best ratio of weight loss to muscle mass retained:

    Weight loss is 80% diet and 20% exercise. Strong lifts 5 x 5 and lots of protein. You have to get your macro ratio so that you get a lot of your calories from protein. For cardio, do high intensity intervals no more than twice a week. HIIT bitches. Steady state cardio is a waste and is counter productive to maintaining muscle mass.
    Her qualifications? Through a combination of diet and lifting heavy weights, she's lost 70lbs and went down 8 pant sizes in the past 15 months. She's fit and physically stronger now than she was before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SifuJason View Post
    restricted diets will cause significant loss of muscle mass
    By "restricted" I mean pretty much the exact type of diet you recommended at the outset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by money View Post
    They have a very good point about not doing cardio with weights on.
    Does someone have a reference for this?

    Edit: Here is everything in Pubmed on the subject of weighted vests. I see no evidence of a relationship between this type of training and any form of joint damage. I'm guessing this is an old wives tale.

    Just because you were carrying that weight before doesn't mean it wasn't hurting your joints, and you probably weren't putting them under the stress you are now.
    I'm doing the same stuff.

    Here's my wife's recommendation to get the best ratio of weight loss to muscle mass retained:



    Her qualifications? Through a combination of diet and lifting heavy weights, she's lost 70lbs and went down 8 pant sizes in the past 15 months. She's fit and physically stronger now than she was before.
    How much muscle mass did she retain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    Does someone have a reference for this?
    A couple links from Google-fu:

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/28...-joint-strain/
    http://fitnesstogether.com/clive/blo...hts-is-a-no-no

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    How much muscle mass did she retain?
    No clue. Her goal wasn't to maintain mass, it was to lose fat and gain strength.

    Is your goal to stay big but get stronger or to get smaller and stronger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    Hmm... how is it different having 10 pounds of fat on my torso, or 10 pounds of weight in my vest? How can your joints tell the difference?
    Perhaps you are missing your flawed assumption: Fat people are not at a greater risk of joint problems due to the weight. So, even if you believe there is no difference in the type of weight being carried, you still need to reevaluate whether your assumption is correct and/or it's worth the risk before you decide it's okay for your joints.

    FWIW, runners strapping weights to their extremities fell out of mainstream favor over 20 years ago.
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    These are arguments against wrist and ankle weights, not vests.


    No clue. Her goal wasn't to maintain mass, it was to lose fat and gain strength.
    Dude, why did you say this:
    Here's my wife's recommendation to get the best ratio of weight loss to muscle mass retained
    then?

    Is your goal to stay big but get stronger or to get smaller and stronger?
    My goal is to maintain 185 pounds at as lean a body comp as I can manage, while maintaining or improving strength.
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