Thread: Is San Shou considered Kung Fu?
8/07/2011 3:11pm, #21Originally Posted by Jiujitsu77Originally Posted by HumanzeeOriginally Posted by jk55299 on Keysi Fighting Method
8/07/2011 3:35pm, #22
pro fights are in a ring, with no head gear or shin guards. but that's the same with muay thai/kickboxing isn't it?
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8/07/2011 9:30pm, #23
As Ming said, amateur fights vary. The lowest level stuff usually looks like this:
... where these fighters range from having almost no proper training (mostly forms and a little light sparring) to decent training as they would have had for your video 2. This is either called kuo shu (as Omega mentioned above) or is called lei tai after the name of the platform on which they're fighting. Your video 1 is a stylized version of this ruleset that forbids face punching, and — so far as I know — is only done as part of that television show.
Your video 2 is what good amateur fights look like, with some variation among rules and gear. In the US, this is usually called san shou rather than san da.
Your video 3 is what most pro san da matches look like. They mainly occur in China.
(For more on the definitions of san shou and san da, see this post.)“Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4
8/08/2011 12:57am, #24
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I can't see your videos because I work for fascists, so I can't comment on them, but I imagine what my school did was something like video 2.
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8/08/2011 3:00am, #26
In Muay thai (I'm speaking primairly of Belgium), amateur class is divided in groups:
- C-fighters, who wear shinguards and helmets
- B-fighters, who wear helmets
- A-fighters, no shinguards, no helmets
You have to fight 3 times per group (in a sanctioned competition), before you can proceed to another level, so after your 9th fight you can think about going pro, but that is rarely done since there's no good state protection for pro's here.
I have competed in The Golden Dragon Cup (Belgium Sanda Championship) here in Leuven, which is open to other styles, but there it was just a mouthpiece, cup and gloves and performed on a tatami.Originally Posted by Jiujitsu77Originally Posted by HumanzeeOriginally Posted by jk55299 on Keysi Fighting Method
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8/28/2011 9:11am, #29
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Sheeot. Haven't check this in awhile. Great stuff, but now I'm more at a loss. I guess it's a matter of opinion.
8/28/2011 11:08am, #30
No, it isn't that confusing.
Sanshou and Sanda are rulesets like MMA. You know how MMA is slowly becoming a style where people are belted or becomme BJJ blackbelts and golden glove boxers?
There are schools that teach a kickboxing looking type of Sanda or Sanshou. You do know forms and it appears to be a typical kickboxing class. The difference is mainly it comes form kung fu based techniques of that school.
So, yes it is kung fu. In some schools it is a style like hung gar. Most times it is a hung gar school using there techniques under the sanshou sanda ruleset. Like bjj being used under the MMA rulset.