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    Quote Originally Posted by Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs View Post
    Why would I use bullshit like "kung fu is supposed to look like kung fu", if I'm not a believer of that mentality?
    Weird because then you say this:

    Don't get me wrong, I encourage crosstraining with other styles of different countries, but you would expect that a Sanda school would get their throwing from Shuai Jiao and then crosstrain with Judoka to improve their Sanda and not vice versa.
    Which is exactly what I thought you meant when you said generic. Yes, that is the claptrap I was addressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Weird because then you say this:



    Which is exactly what I thought you meant when you said generic. Yes, that is the claptrap I was addressing.
    Oh, I thought that you meant that I meant that Sanda should look like "full-contact Wushu" ( a little bit like the kids were doing in the remake of the Karate Kid (by lack of a better example)).
    Didn't mean that at all.
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    I love bullshido, its the only place were a mod would say some gay **** like that. Why are you always so angry? Maby you should pull the dick out of your ass? Every time you respond to someone your a smartass, ive lurked on this site for quite a while and i know you know alot but you don't need to be a a-hole. As far as being a master that is up to one person, the master of your style but i doubt your even a closed door disciple of anyone anyway so how could you ever be a master. You shouldnt even be teaching Fu if your not closed door but it doesnt matter your just teaching some little kids some Faux Fu anyway
    Way to dodge the remark fag. You're so off you're on another planet. Accept the challenge or decline. Anything besides that gets you banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs View Post
    Have you noticed a trend of Kung-Fu schools that have a completely seperated line of Wushu and Sanda classes?
    Meaning that in the Wushu classes you learn the forms (hand and weapon), but nothing of that gets incorporated into the Sanda, which looks like generic Kickboxing with hip and shoulder throws.
    Even to a level that Kickboxers, Muay Thaiers, Wrestlers and Judoka are brought in as external teachers.
    How do you see that type of evolution in the long run?
    At my CMA school we were taught that Wushu has zero combat application, as you say, Sanda was taught seperately. I don't think this is just a trend, the two are completely different things.

    However, certain aspects our Traditional forms were incorporated into the Sanda training. We did not ever use instructors from outside, although a lot of our guys did crosstrain Muay Thai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artrat View Post
    At my CMA school we were taught that Wushu has zero combat application, as you say, Sanda was taught seperately. I don't think this is just a trend, the two are completely different things.

    However, certain aspects our Traditional forms were incorporated into the Sanda training. We did not ever use instructors from outside, although a lot of our guys did crosstrain Muay Thai.
    Thank you for the information.

    So if I understand correctly, the single techniques that made up (your school's) Sanda came from CMAs (with probably English Boxing for striking techniques), but modified to have maximum effect under that ruleset with some minor aspects of the Wushu forms so that a knowledgable outsider could say that in Sanda school A, the Wushu that is tought there is Baji Quan and in Sanda school B, it would be Tai Chi Chuan, etc...
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    No, not necessarily. There are two types of schools the one Art is talking about and others that teach classical wushu with forms and technique applicability that compete in Sanda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    No, not necessarily. There are two types of schools the one Art is talking about and others that teach classical wushu with forms and technique applicability that compete in Sanda.
    So this is all Sanda?







    How is the distinction made between these forms of Sanda? Because if you train for competing in the first form and on competition night you end up in the ring of the third form, your not going to be very happy.
    Or am I seeing the evolution of Sanda here and is the third form nowadays the standard?
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    3 different variations. The first is close to original San Shou. San Da (IMO) is the next evolution of San Shou. Remember there is also Kou Shu.

    BTW I've competed in Draka which is a Russian form of San Shou. You were able to throw them over the rope.

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    How do you distinguish between boxing? You don't. Yes, I know there are different "styles" of boxing and training for boxing. They all compete in boxing. How they GET to the competition is irrelevant as well as how they trained. The results are how you realize if your training is good, mediocre, or poor. You are trying to mix training methodologies with the actual competition.

    Hell, when a boxer trains poorly they are unhappy as well. Same with someone competing in MMA. If anything, you train for the ruleset in which you will compete.

    Aslo, Go see Tae_Bo's and Omega's earlier explanations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    3 different variations. The first is close to original San Shou. San Da (IMO) is the next evolution of San Shou. Remember there is also Kou Shu.

    BTW I've competed in Draka which is a Russian form of San Shou. You were able to throw them over the rope.
    agreed. the only thing i would add is that with video 2+3 you are comparing the amateur version and the pro version.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zendokan
    if you train for competing in the first form and on competition night you end up in the ring of the third form, your not going to be very happy.
    someone training for amateur boxing, mma, or kickboxing would be very surprised to walk into a pro ring as well, wouldn't you say, zendokan?
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