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  1. WhiteShark is offline
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    Is Deep Half a fad?

    It seems everyone and their brother is coming out with counters to the Deep Half Guard game. I know even in my own gym most of the purples and above don't fall for it anymore. I also feel like failing at deep half sweeps put you in a horrible position.

    Is this going to be a fad that no one talks about in a couple more years or is it going to mature and have a place in your game?
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    It's a game that wins at the top level in MMA, sport BJJ and submission wrestling (and has been doing so for a while). Obviously it's not always going to be quite as popular as it is right now, being the 'in' thing.
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    Is it still winning though? The matches I'm seeing lately make it look like it might be on the way out now that it isn't a surprise anymore. I'm looking mainly at Gi BJJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    Is it still winning though? The matches I'm seeing lately make it look like it might be on the way out now that it isn't a surprise anymore. I'm looking mainly at Gi BJJ.
    This stuff always fluctuates at the top level. Some guys, Bernardo Faria springs to mind, are still killing a lot of people with it, though. The guy who wins with it again in a couple of years after it's "over" is going to be the one who kept practising it despite the exact peculiarities of what happened at last year's Mundials.
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    I think people are getting better at defending deep-half. As a result, I also think that the "fad" techniques ("Oh cool! Did you see that?") in deep-half are being replaced by more fundamental sweeps/submissions/etc. That should lead people to expand their games instead of "specializing" in DHG.

    Jeff Glover has a very fundamentals-based DHG game with very few (if any) "flashy" moves and I think that is why he has found so much success with it.

    Personal anecdote: I've noticed people at my gym starting to constantly attack my top/far-side arm which forces me to adapt as well. I've started hitting a forward sweep from DHG when they do this, but now people are starting to counter that which opens up a backwards sweep. It is always a cat and mouse game which is what I love about this art.
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    Been doing it for three years now. Like rubber guard, it's here to stay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Skippy View Post
    I think people are getting better at defending deep-half. As a result, I also think that the "fad" techniques ("Oh cool! Did you see that?") in deep-half are being replaced by more fundamental sweeps/submissions/etc. That should lead people to expand their games instead of "specializing" in DHG.

    Jeff Glover has a very fundamentals-based DHG game with very few (if any) "flashy" moves and I think that is why he has found so much success with it.
    What do you consider fancy moves? Jeff loves his deep half guard game. I personally use it as a support for my half guard game. I would never advise anybody to rely on deep half guard and I know he doesn't either but it is an excellent game to perfect for when the situation arises. Just like every other novel move it'll always come down to the basics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehogey View Post
    Been doing it for three years now. Like rubber guard, it's here to stay.
    Rubber guard is based off a basic guard (as per my previous posts) unfortunately it's not for everybody (myself included). I've grappled with several specialist of the rubber guard and never had any problem with it. I teach the fundamentals of it to very select group of guys. That being said I'm not a big fan of the rubber guard.
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    Deep half is here to stay but like other innovative guards in their time it will fade into the background alongside them.
    But it will always be a toll in the toolbox.
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