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  1. markjudo is offline

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    What is a AMAZING is they wanted to be part of the USJA, They brought over 60 new members to the USJA, promoted over 30 of their club members to 6th Dan & Higher in Judo in 2006.

    1 Year later when it was time to renew their memberships, they didnt!!!! They just wanted to get their rank CERTIFIED, they really didnt want to be in the USJA or care for that ORGANIZATION. They used the USJA and the USJA let them.

    If you look at the TOP 50 clubs of the USJA, you will NOT find their club on that list. The #50 club has only 31 members in it.

    That sure doesnt sound like a good Businees Deal for the USJA. In return, they are about to lose a club with over 80 members that has been faithful & loyal to them for the past 22 years.

    Plus, now we have over 60 High Dans out there without Background Checks. What a SHAME!

    What has Judo become?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warchief View Post
    The USJA is a 5013c nonprofit oprganization so all open meeting minutes are available to the public. Executive session minutes are considered confidential and are not avaiable for access to the general public.

    Matt, you are making an assumption, "whoever was directly instructng and coaching the Juniors at the Karl Geis Judo club" that the Karl Geis club offered children's lessons. I don't know if his club had a children's program or not but if you want to bring this up as a reason for background checks it needs to be confirmed that it is a valid point, IMHO.
    You are correct: I am making an incorrect assumption. I was assuming that "Karl Geis Judo Club (TX0002)" referred to a single dojo. It does not; Geis has a dojo in Texas, but a great many of the people in the mass promotion run affiliated schools in other states (I'm trying to get a good count). The organization as a whole has it's children's program described here: http://www.karlgeis.com/kidsjudo.htm

    A cursory search find at least 6 separate dojos with staff from the "G-20" (G-57?) group.
    Last edited by Matt Phillips; 7/21/2011 4:30pm at .
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    8733 12/7/2006 Judo Yodan

    This is a new example of a person who did not list their affiliated club as the Karl Geis Judo club, because they own their own (Judo) club, or teach elsewhere. They are a member of Karl Geis' organization, and they were promoted on the same day as (most) everybody else.

    It is practically impossible to find and count all people of this sort, but there are 52 clubs listed in Geis' organization, many with multiple Geis affiliated instructors. I would estimate about 75 people in all. These are people who can not be part of the 57 I put up earlier (because they are not Geis' club, but their own). I suspect someone is teaching Kids at at least one of them, as their organization has a children's curriculum and promotion sequence in place (posted a few posts back).

    Edit:

    Here is a listing in the Geis organization for a school:

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    Red Dragon Martial Arts Center Instructor: John Kirby, Aikido 5th Dan, Judo 4th Dan Arts Taught: KiHara Aikido, Kodokan Judo Location: 723 East Main Street; Jefferson City, TN Phone: (865) 475-8510 WWW: http://www.rdkarate.com



    The link above is retrievable to Nov 2007 (about 1 year after the big promotion) here http://web.archive.org/web/200711232...CTORSSTAFF.pml

    Now Mr Kirby seems not to be on staff at the time, and we can't know for sure what they were teaching in Dec 2006, but 11 months later they had a "Tiny Tigers" program.
    Last edited by Matt Phillips; 7/21/2011 6:09pm at .
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    Matt, would it be helpful for you to focus your investigation on these names:
    http://www.karlgeis.com/resume.htm

    Mr. Percy Lampin
    Mr. Gordon and Louise Wing
    B.B. Smith
    Wilberne (Mac) McNease
    Charles Caldwell
    Dr.Clifton Norgaard
    Fred Troy
    Mr. Rex Clark
    Mr. Karl Armstrong
    Mr. Craig Boyett
    Mr. B.G. Smith
    Dr. Richard Geis
    Mr. Robert Poffinbarger
    Daniel Larouch
    Mr. Ron Gotlin
    Mrs. Susan Gotlin
    Dr. Doug Gotlin
    Mr. Greg Gotlin
    Dr. Robert Gotlin
    Mr. Brian Sullivan
    Mrs. Kitty Sullivan
    Mr. Jack Hamel
    Ms. Debbie Loren
    Mr. Gilbert Squires
    Mr. Doug Williams
    Mr. David Moss
    Mr. PaulSanford
    Ashley Issacs
    Mr. Edwin Loitz
    Mr. David Edwards
    Dr. James Wooley

    Dr. David Andres
    Mr. George and Bettina Shackelford
    Fred Troy
    Henry Copeland
    Mr. George Webber
    Ms. Genni Ruzzi
    Mr. Tim Joe
    Dr. Yogi Kondo
    Mr. Michael Macaluso
    Mr. Chris Thygesen
    Doug and Lita Womack
    Martin Bregman
    Mr. and Mrs. Edwin Geis
    Virginia Geis Burnhardt
    Mr. Lowell Collins
    Aaron Loren
    Mr. Jerry Jones
    Mr. Bo Everitt
    Mr. Bob Canup
    Ms. Janet New Craig
    Mrs. Julie Loitz
    Mr. Rook Edwards
    Mr. Rianard Jackson
    Dr. Scott Harrell
    Dr. Paul Johnson
    Dr. Michael Berg
    Mr. Mark Robitaille
    Dr. William Skinner
    Dr. Samuel Stal
    Mr. Ron Haaksma
    Mr. Mike Montgomery
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    Posted On:
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    Some, but not all, the people are on the list which Matt referenced in an earlier post
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    I'm trying not to inject any more actual names into the conversation. Anyone wants me to look at particular person or persons, please use PM. At this point it's not even clear if all of Geis' people even knew they got promoted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    Matt, would it be helpful for you to focus your investigation on these names:
    http://www.karlgeis.com/resume.htm
    Why these?

    Edit: Oh, now I can see the link name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markjudo View Post
    What is a AMAZING is they wanted to be part of the USJA, They brought over 60 new members to the USJA, promoted over 30 of their club members to 6th Dan & Higher in Judo in 2006.

    1 Year later when it was time to renew their memberships, they didnt!!!! They just wanted to get their rank CERTIFIED, they really didnt want to be in the USJA or care for that ORGANIZATION. They used the USJA and the USJA let them.

    If you look at the TOP 50 clubs of the USJA, you will NOT find their club on that list. The #50 club has only 31 members in it.

    That sure doesnt sound like a good Businees Deal for the USJA. In return, they are about to lose a club with over 80 members that has been faithful & loyal to them for the past 22 years.

    Plus, now we have over 60 High Dans out there without Background Checks. What a SHAME!

    What has Judo become?
    This is the most important thing said about this entire debacle.

    Legitimizing rank and a money Grab. That's what I find disturbing. Actually, I find it worse on the USJA than KG. Why? Who wouldn't want to legitimize Dojo rank with an established organization? We know some of us helped, with money, for this to happen. The difference is the person was following the procedures of testing and examination.
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    I don't mean to intrude, but if Warchief keeps saying a USJA member needs to initiate an official investigation, can't one of the members here who is also a USJA member try to get it started?
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    This is the most important thing said about this entire debacle.

    Legitimizing rank and a money Grab. That's what I find disturbing. Actually, I find it worse on the USJA than KG. Why? Who wouldn't want to legitimize Dojo rank with an established organization? We know some of us helped, with money, for this to happen. The difference is the person was following the procedures of testing and examination.
    The bizarre thing is that some of the people awarded high Judo rank teach only Aikido at their dojos; some don't even list the USJA rank at all.

    I think it's important to remember that 57 people had their home dojo listed at "Karl Geis Judo Club". Without any actual paperwork from those people, any USJA voting materials would probably be sent there. Not saying anyone filled them out and sent them back, but KG probably got 57 ballots in the mail one day.
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