Ankle lock legal positions for ibjjf

**eddiet** · Posted On: 7/14/2011 4:55am

Cant seem to find an answer for this anywhere been doing bjj for 20 months and cant get a straight answer
So for the straight ankle or achilles foot lock what positions are legal
e.g if i sit straight back can i have his left ankle under my left armpit or do i have to have it under my right or same side,
Also what ways can i turn,can i go belly down?can i turn to my side with the ankle im attacking on the high side or does it have to be low?
I do know and understand about knee reaping so these positions are all without reaping the knee,
Thanks

**PointyShinyBurn** · Posted On: 7/14/2011 5:13am

You can have the ankle under either armpit, but if you turn it has to be to the outside i.e. looking away from his free leg. If your opponent turns the other way to escape you can follow him, though (assuming the ref knows what he's doing).

Nowhere in the official rules is this even fucking hinted at, of course.

**blackmonk** · Posted On: 7/14/2011 6:30am

They have the most ridiculous ruleset involving ankle locks, even reaping the knee. I've seen great matches (locally) where someone gets DQed over little nuances in the rules about ankles, including reaping the knee, going high-side with the lock, etc. I've played with ankle locks from day one, and they are probably the safest submission that I use on a regular basis.

**eddiet** · Posted On: 7/14/2011 10:40am

I have found this page,would you say this is correct

http://goatfury.blogspot.com/2009/05...-footlock.html

**eddiet** · Posted On: 7/14/2011 10:42am

Would you say this is correct for ibjjf rules,cheers.

http://goatfury.blogspot.com/2009/05...-footlock.html

**Mr.Miyagi** · Posted On: 7/19/2011 2:47am

This is something I've been really curious about. Our Gym Comps are the only ones that allow straight kneebars and ankle locks at Blue belt gi...everything else (IBJJF/ABJJF) has them banned till Purple (kneebars till Brown)?

Seems a bit whack, and the lack of knee reap is fucking silly, only now trying to work out the definitions as I cut across their hips to counter the escape. Sadface, wish there was Sambo around.

[Over Generalisation] Most Blue's can't even do a proper fucking straight ankle lock, let alone be able to hit and finish it during a competition roll, eruughh. [/Over Generalisation]

I'm a year into my Blue, and I really want to practice this stuff for comps (we can at the Gym, and it's great fun, like a whole new level of learning), not having the locks at comp level makes it really bad form for people lazy with their legs. I can grasp why no kneebars (risk of falling and just aggressive noob cranking), but not the ankle locks with leg reap, it's a powerful control position and actually forces you to think and counter moves and not be lazy with feet!

**PointyShinyBurn** · Posted On: 7/19/2011 4:21am

Originally Posted by Mr.Miyagi

This is something I've been really curious about. Our Gym Comps are the only ones that allow straight kneebars and ankle locks at Blue belt gi...everything else (IBJJF/ABJJF) has them banned till Purple (kneebars till Brown)?

Straight ankle locks are legal at all adult belt levels in IBJJF. Though obviously you have to do them wrong to avoid reaping the knee.

**Mr.Miyagi** · Posted On: 7/19/2011 11:27pm

Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn

Straight ankle locks are legal at all adult belt levels in IBJJF. Though obviously you have to do them wrong to avoid reaping the knee.

Hmm...I wish they would hire a proper technical writer to go over their rule structure/wording...I dunno, maybe they do a video or some pictures for the sake of the competitors...whatever.

Originally Posted by http://www.ibjjf.org/rules.htm

FROM THE AGES OF 13 THROUGH 15:

SLAM FROM THE GUARD
BICEPS LOCK
WRIST LOCK
TRIANGLE PULLING THE HEAD
FOOT LOCK S(ANY KIND)
KNEE LOCK, LEG LOCK
CERVICAL LOCK(ANY KIND)
FRONTAL NECK CRANK
EZEKIEL
CALF LOCK
SCISSORS TAKEDOWN
HEEL HOOK

AGES 16 TO 17

SLAM FROM THE GUARD
LEG LOCKS
CERVICAL (only without chokes)
BICEPS LOCK
CALF LOCK
WRIST LOCK
MATA LEAO WITH FOOT
SCISSORS TAKEDOWN
HEEL HOOK

FROM ADULT THROUGH SENIOR (BLUE & PURPLE BELT)

MATA LEO WITH FOOT

This is refering to Toe Holds?
SLAM FROM THE GUARD
LEG LOCKS

I thought this covered all leg attacks? But what you are saying is that because they do not 'specify' the straight ankle lock/foot lock as illegal then it's open from White-Black?

They define 'knee locks and leg locks' in the lower age brackets, does this mean a 'leg lock' is different to a 'knee lock' and can someone tell me what a 'leg lock' is if it isn't a kneebar, or a knee lock if it's not a kneebar?
CERVICAL(only without chokes)
BICEPS LOCK
CALF LOCK
SCISSORS TAKEDOWN
HEEL HOOK

**PointyShinyBurn** · Posted On: 7/20/2011 4:51am

I know because I asked this at an IBJJF rules seminar, not through decoding the incoherent rules on the website.

However, I think the way it works is that 'FOOT LOCK S(ANY KIND)' in the kids division refers to both the straight ankle lock and the 'MATA LEO WITH FOOT' (toehold), then in the adult divisions 'LEG LOCK' means kneebar, god knows why it says 'KNEE LOCK' on the same line as well in the kid's divisions. If 'LEG LOCKS' was meant to be all lower-body attacks then they wouldn't have to list toeholds and 'FOOT LOCK S(ANY KIND)' on separate lines.