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    And what would your suggestion for an alternative be? I understand what you mean as I lost position plenty to the more experienced guy, especially as i began to gas out, but without an alternative I can't really work towards anything other then wrapping my limbs around his limbs and hoping for the best, which is obviously more likely to get someone hurt then a guillotine.

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    From the sounds of it? Triangle.

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    I encourage every beginner who wants direction to work on rear naked chokes. Taking the back is NEVER a bad thing to work on and it forces you to go after the most dominant position instead of falling back into submission attempts and likely losing position. Most newbs can't stick with it because it proves frustrating but learning it will never be a waste and you will learn a lot of other things trying to get there.

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    If Omega says it's a bad idea, then I will stop looking for guilloties. I would love to hunt RNC's instead as WS suggests, but the reality is that I'm mostly stuck in the other guy's guard and unable to pass, so it never comes up.

    @OP I'll see if I can find a vdeo. I (re)invented it, but was told it's standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    If Omega says it's a bad idea, then I will stop looking for guilloties. I would love to hunt RNC's instead as WS suggests, but the reality is that I'm mostly stuck in the other guy's guard and unable to pass, so it never comes up.

    @OP I'll see if I can find a vdeo. I (re)invented it, but was told it's standard.
    And I agree with WS too. Taking the back is great for a beginner.

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    When you're still struggling with the puzzle of guard passing, taking the the back is a pie in the sky thing that only comes up infrequently in a scamble, and even then the idea of going for the RNC is subordinated to dealing with the Turtle that immediately gets tossed in your path :P

    Just one n00bs perspective.
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    Thanks for the responses guys, this was exactly the kind of feedback i was looking for, i eagerly await any videos.


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    In the featured vids this month is an entire take-the-back how-to: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=107563

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    Quote Originally Posted by swankmoney View Post
    I don't know if its because i have one class under my belt or because I lack imagination but what your describing is extremely difficult for me to visualize, do you have a video you could link to?
    While I'm looking for a vid let me try my hand at explaining it better.

    You're in the guy's (open) guard;

    You put your left hand on his right knee

    You pin his knee to the mat and shoot your left knee along where his leg meets his body

    After your knee is on the mat you make sure your instep is still draped over his leg

    Reach over with your right leg and get your right instep over the shin of that same leg

    Now you have two instep hooks controlling his right leg, and you can release the first hook

    Your left leg is now free to come up next to his body (armpit seems to be a good place)

    Haviing got your left leg passed his guard completely, release the right instep hook

    Bring your right knee up next to his body (hip area works)

    Underhook his head with your left arm

    Underhook his left arm with your right arm

    Link your hands together (don't interlace fingers) and try to squash him

    Sink your hips as low to the mat as you can

    Now you've got a fairly stable position from which you can think about Americana, or moving to mount.

    Other people here will have much better advice than I, but from one n00b to another, there are worse things you could try against more experienced people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    When you're still struggling with the puzzle of guard passing, taking the the back is a pie in the sky thing that only comes up infrequently in a scamble, and even then the idea of going for the RNC is subordinated to dealing with the Turtle that immediately gets tossed in your path :P

    Just one n00bs perspective.
    It is a long term goal. It is tempting to just guillotine all the other newbs but that is a path to stagnation. Taking the back is a longer road but it is also a different philosophy that requires you to think a couple steps ahead.

    This seems daunting because you are thinking about going right to the RNC which is miles away from where you are. Instead start each role with the goal of exposing your opponent's back. maybe the first step is not getting in his guard but instead putting him in your guard and looking to push the arm across.

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