Thread: being blind
7/15/2011 9:37pm, #11
come get some Cajun style Judo training.
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7/15/2011 11:44pm, #12
Fought a couple of blind guys (in Judo that is), they really loved Judo and had a good feel for it as well.
Blind practice (just close your damn eyes, we don't need the theatrics of a blindfold!) is ok I guess, I think it helps beginners as JNP mentioned.
After a while as you do randori (spar) you may as well have your eyes closed. That is, the time it take for you to see, perceive what you saw, and react to your perception is usually slower than your reaction to how it all feels. If that makes a lick of sense.
7/16/2011 5:39am, #13
Obviously as you say by the time you have seen these, processed them through the noob processor and then attempted to engage the noob neurons etc... to apply the noob technique it all breaksdown.
However, the eyes are a vital part of our body's information gathering and feedback system so I think some people can go too far and villianise the eyes as some kind of evil anti-Judo twins sitting in your head sabotaging any attempt at doing Judo, which is obviously a bit silly.
When you get more experienced there are a number of things that have changed - your body has the pathways of the technique movements programmed much better so you can physically perfom the attack faster and more fluidly, your eyes have got much better at looking 'deeper' into the errors and opportunities that permit a throw beyond simply just 'on the heels/ toes' etc..., your body's information systems are working in sync better touch, sight, balance etc... are all now programmed to work together to produce results be it an attack, evasion etc...
So I see blindfold randori as perhaps useful in trying to snap noobs out of the mode of thinking that is 'I watch when uke steps there, I look for uke to be on their toes/heels' etc... and show them that there's more to it than that and that that is an overly simplistic way of looking at debana. However, I think its much more beneficial to actually explain to people how the simplifications of debana we talk about are just that, simplifications and that the only real way to get all the body's information systems in sync, muscle pathways working and all the stuff geared towards Judo is to do loads of quality, well controlled randori.
7/16/2011 9:39am, #14
Off to do pushups...
I agree completely. I sounded a little Mr. Miyagi before, when Judo is anything but. I honestly don't know enough about neurophysiology and biomechanics to say what I want to at times. That's why I rarely post.
7/16/2011 9:57am, #15
As a training tool it's really invaluable. We need to train people to develop the tactual sense of judo. People who begin judo can barely move in a correct and efficient manner. The sedentary lifestyle to majority of people live has over developed the visual sense and people can not use the other senses in relation to physical action.
As an advanced player it's a fun exercise and a challenge to you as a martial artist. As with anything it should be fun. Will it elevate you to world champion status, no, but it will bring you one step closer to being better than you were the previous day. I'm sure they are drills that people do that I would look at and go that's just sofa king we tard it and they would justify them.
Ultimately Judo should just be fun and challenging, well any martial art for that matter.Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
7/16/2011 10:03am, #16
7/16/2011 10:20am, #17
Occasionally when someone starts pushing hands, they close their eyes because they're told that pushing is all about tingjing—or "listening power." The instructions from my teacher are explicit. "Whenever they do that, trip them, so they'll keep their eyes open." Push hands is about developing "listening", which includes the tactility described above, but also involves peripheral vision and whatnot. The idea is that people are going to have their eyes open eventually, so they'd better start learning how to deal with the "extra" information right away.
Would blindfolded chisau be "easier" if the range of motion included more leg action.
7/16/2011 11:53am, #18
Go trip a blind judo player.Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
7/16/2011 4:01pm, #19
7/16/2011 6:56pm, #20