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    Everyone knows the USJA has a history of rank inflation. Its not exactly a secret.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    Everyone knows the USJA has a history of rank inflation. Its not exactly a secret.
    I did not know this, but thanks for the update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    the guy in question replies with an e-mail where he has a nice little story about how he didn't really want it, but it was thrust upon him.
    Kind of puts a stop on him them claiming that 8th Dan for advertising himself elsewhere, if he has indeed done so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn View Post
    Kind of puts a stop on him them claiming that 8th Dan for advertising himself elsewhere, if he has indeed done so.
    Not really, if you've been awarded something you can advertise yourself as the recipient of that award.

    He can always say 'well I didn't really want it, but now I've got it its only reasonable to put it on things where my rank would be relevant i.e instructor profiles, seminar flyers, dojo adverts etc...'

    I don't think he's an 8th dan, he apparently doesn't think he's an 8th dan, but he is and there's nowt we or anyone outside of the USJA heirarchy can do about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn View Post
    Kind of puts a stop on him them claiming that 8th Dan for advertising himself elsewhere, if he has indeed done so.
    Looking at the Facebook convo that Matt posted, it could be interpreted/explained that Mr. Lowry only volunteered the info about the 8th dan because Stephen Gegner (not sure who that is) brought it up and The Tripp asked about where/who it was from.

    Though as previously mentioned, on his website he's listed as both an 7th dan *and* an 8th dan Judo...
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    Not really, if you've been awarded something you can advertise yourself as the recipient of that award.
    I had an argument when I first joined about this very topic. They awarded a schlub a 10th dan and rescinded it. I said well he can still claim you gave it to him. It's funny how people do not want to claim their mistakes. It went on for quite a few pages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    So where exactly is this investigation going to go?

    As this rank has been issued by one of the official organisations so the normal bullshido investigation stuff of turning up evidence of rank fraud or self-awarding of rank from circle jerk orgs doesn't really apply.
    I can't speak for the OP, but my interest is in upping the pressure on JA to maintain integrity.

    Does the USJA have some sort of procedure for querying rank awards and any kind of mechanism for demoting people or rescinding rank?
    Of course, remember what happened in the Matt Morton case? Stripped of rank and suspended. It is possible.

    In that particular case a nobody Hapkido instructor was able to claim USJA Judo rank by tinkering with Kodokan documents belonging to a JA board member (Neil O.) and nobody at JA even noticed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    Of course, remember what happened in the Matt Morton case? Stripped of rank and suspended. It is possible.

    In that particular case a nobody Hapkido instructor was able to claim USJA Judo rank by tinkering with Kodokan documents belonging to a JA board member (Neil O.) and nobody at JA even noticed.
    Can you believe I'd actually forgotten all about him.

    Nothing like what happened to Morton will happen to Lowry, simply because no one depended on Morton for their dan grade nor the person who promoted Morton (because there was none). There will be a whole host of people who depended on Geis for their dan grades and Lowry and the system that allowed Geis to give Lowry his grade allowed many many more to do the same.

    There's not going to be anything like that kind of shake up, because of too many vested interests, sad but true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    Can you believe I'd actually forgotten all about him.

    Nothing like what happened to Morton will happen to Lowry, simply because no one depended on Morton for their dan grade nor the person who promoted Morton (because there was none). There will be a whole host of people who depended on Geis for their dan grades and Lowry and the system that allowed Geis to give Lowry his grade allowed many many more to do the same.

    There's not going to be anything like that kind of shake up, because of too many vested interests, sad but true.
    Roughly how many people are we talking about here (i.e. popping up as high rank with the USJA, with little or no previous history on record), as a matter of interest? One guy? A handful? Tens? Hundreds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larus marinus View Post
    Roughly how many people are we talking about here (i.e. popping up as high rank with the USJA, with little or no previous history on record), as a matter of interest? One guy? A handful? Tens? Hundreds?
    Little or no previous rank is only one small part of the issue, there are people who have a record of every single rank, but that's because they sent off their cheques regularly...
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