7/12/2011 1:16am, #31
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in the first vid, is it just me, or did he just spiked his opponent on his head?
7/12/2011 2:10am, #32
....'Cause when Anderson Silva has to come to your help,
chances are you're really fucked.
7/12/2011 2:18am, #33
It's stuck in my mind ever since, and is one of the reasons I defend MMA to the Budo-Honour, Moral-High-Horse mob I normally associate with..
It's sad to hear those days are gone.
When life gives you lemons... BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!
"what's the best thing about aikido then?"
"To be defeated by your enemies, to be driven by them from the field of battle, and to hear the lamentations of your women." ermghoti
7/12/2011 4:10am, #34
Moar stupid refereeing from judo. Finnish Championships final match:
Relevant part start at about 1:30. Notice how the referee never checks the condition and tries to stop the coach from helping his student.Curiosity killed the cat. But damn it had a blast.
7/12/2011 4:20am, #35
Can we get a check from someone who's a qualified ref like Ben what the actual guidance on this is for refs.
As I think they actually have guidance documents that say they shouldn't interfere and have to let the tournament medics attend to them.
Although in most of these cases if someone is out the player who put them out brings them round, because players know the risks and look after other competitors.
7/12/2011 6:31am, #36
7/12/2011 6:44am, #37
I think its less a case of the rules allowing an opponent to bring you round, but not the ref, more of your opponent doesn't have anything telling them they can or can't and thus if they feel compelled to help, they do.
See Tom Reed putting Huck of Germany out.
The ref only lifts a hand to summon the medics, but Reed, being a nice bloke, has already brought Huck round by the time the medic gets there.
This is from an IJF guidance document, which explains why refs aren't interfering to stop when it is ambiguous whether there's a hold and shimewaza and or unconsciousness has occurred.
When a contestant submits in osaekomi, shime waza or kansetsu waza the referee must ensure that the contestant taps at least twice on the tatami or body. The referee must not give an ippon for one tap. This may lead to a claim by the uke that there was no submission and cause the coach to lodge a protest at a higher level.
In shime waza, if there is only one tap, the referee must wait until uke becomes unconscious. When the fingers of the hands open, the toes on the feet relax, or the body goes limp or in spasm, this generally is an indication that uke is unconscious.
The referee announces ippon when a contestant throws his/her opponent with control largely on the back with force and speed.
Ippon is also announced under the following circumstances:
in local / national events when the effect of kansetsu waza (joint lock) or shime waza (strangulation) is sufficiently apparent. (not at international events)
Suggests there is a further standard required to award ippon from a shimewaza attack beyond becoming 'sufficiently apparent', but doesn't explain what it is.
7/12/2011 7:02am, #38
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7/13/2011 12:47am, #39
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I was sitting ringside for this. About 95% of the people in the stadium would have made better refs than that guy.
7/13/2011 5:30am, #40
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That ref was terrible.
Is there any form of training for MMA referees? do they need to pass a certain amount of hours at least watching people rolling so as to understand what's going on?