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    Quote Originally Posted by Larus marinus View Post
    Sweet.

    As a matter of interest, are there any videos out there of fat guys winning ultimate fighting bouts? By that, I mean really fat guys, the sort that could have appropriate entrance music involving nothing but a tuba - not just some kickboxer with a beer gut...

    I've seen a few vids where the fat guys lose...


    http://video.i.ua/user/1066557/13551/62980/
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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicpoet View Post
    I recognize the educational value of UFC 3, but it should be taken with a grain of salt.

    First, contrary to what the colour commentators said, .
    Well, that's where you went wrong. Whenever I recommend that a TUF noob or recent convert to MMA fandom watch the old timey UFCs I do so with one glaring caveat : "WATCH IT WITH THE SOUND OFF".

    Most of the early UFC commentators knew less about MMA then than you do now. Except maybe for Blatnick none of them understood ground fighting AT ALL. Much like any WWF commentator they were just there to talk up the action rather than give real time analysis so they just blathered about what they were seeing without understanding it. They might as well just passed the mic around to the audience. There's comedy gold in there but only if you understand how clueless they are first.
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    Cheers. That's like being mauled by a crocodile there.
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    Loved this one.
    "We often joke -- and we really wish it were a joke -- that you will only encounter two basic problems with your 'self-defense' training.
    1) That it doesn't work
    2) That it does work"
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    5'10" 200lbs Kenpo practitioner Keith Hackney against a 6'8" 600lbs Emmanuel Yarborough.

    awesome got a new flavor.
    I remember watching this on a third or fourth generation dub a few weeks after the PPV. My wife was shocked & left the room......but brought me a beer. i loved the old sideshow feel to those old UFCs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    IIRC Melton Bowen from UFC IV had been HW champ of the WBC.
    He was never the WBC heavyweight champ. His highest achievement was a WBF Intercontinental heavyweight title. This is a minor sanctioning body with even less legitimacy than the IBO, IBA, or WBU.

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    Not in 1993 it didn't. They were known, but it wasn't know if they were legit yet.
    I find this hard to believe. Helio fought Wladek Zbyszko, Taro Miyake, and Masahiko Kimura.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    WHere are you getting this stuff?
    Those damn UFC colour commentators. They loved mentioning how much of a superstar Ken Shamrock was in Japan, etc. Were they pulling the wool over our eyes?
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    Loved this one.
    That was UFC 1.

    They keep taking down the Roland Payne fight, which was AWESOME, but here's a tribute video to Harold Howard with some footage including the somersault axe-kick:

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    Loved this one.
    Did Gordeau really develop gangrene due to leaving one of the sumo's teeth embedded in his foot? Or is that just a fight legend?
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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicpoet View Post
    He was never the WBC heavyweight champ. His highest achievement was a WBF Intercontinental heavyweight title. This is a minor sanctioning body with even less legitimacy than the IBO, IBA, or WBU.
    That's why I say things like IIRC when I'm going off memory. Are you saying he wasn't known in the boxing world?

    I find this hard to believe. Helio fought Wladek Zbyszko, Taro Miyake, and Masahiko Kimura.
    Well I can tell you as someone who there and (paying attention) that people were only sort of aware of the Gracie family at the time. You are projecting a moden evaluation of their accomplishments backwards to a time the jury was definitely still out on them and their art. In fact, I'll go even further and say that if the family already had the notoriety you imagine they did in 1993, there would have been no need for a giant infomercial promoting GJJ, which is basically what the first event was in Rorion's eyes.

    Those damn UFC colour commentators. They loved mentioning how much of a superstar Ken Shamrock was in Japan, etc. Were they pulling the wool over our eyes?
    No, they were correct that there was a comic about a pro wrestler named Wayne Shamrock. If you're going to discount Ichihara as being irrelevant because he was champion of Daido Juku, I can't see how you can count Ken's notoriety in Pancrase which hadn't even held 2 events at the time of UFC I; Ken's fame in Japan at the time was soley from his performances with UWF(i)/Fujiwara Gumi, and not as a combat athlete. In fact the American magazines complained about the claim that Ken was a Shootfighting champ, because no one had heard of Pancrase before.

    Now where are you getting this business about Oleg's Sambo career? If it's from event commentary, just reference the match so I can check it out.

    If you're really curious about this era, you'd do better to listen to the input of folks like Holy Moment and I who participated in it as fans, than you will by trying to lecture us with stuff you've collected second hand. Your comments about the notoriety of the Gracie family in 1993 are especially telling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larus marinus View Post
    Did Gordeau really develop gangrene due to leaving one of the sumo's teeth embedded in his foot? Or is that just a fight legend?
    The only way to know for sure is to ask him, but I can tell you that I never heard this story until many years after that match.
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