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  1. judoka_uk is offline
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    I wouldn't bother Gezere, Totemicist isn't arguing with what you said, he's arguing with what he thinks you said.
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    Believe it or not I actually agree to an extent with the last comment by Judoka UK; I think there is a fundamental disconnect between the point I am attempting to make and what other posters are saying.

    Being that I do not have a history of being unable to discern another standpoint in a debate I am not sure what to do about this.

    I guess we will have to leave it that I am no more scared of muslims than any other group whilst you are, but are unable (not for lack of trying) to make me understand why this should be.

    I thank all those posters (Esp Gezere) who have so far genuinely engaged me to further my understanding of the issues (real or perceived) with Islam and the west (Unfortunately this does not include you Judoka UK as you made no attempt to actually help me understand what you were saying).

    I also apologise for disparaging Lebell and Zen who I quite like most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totemicist View Post
    (Unfortunately this does not include you Judoka UK as you made no attempt to actually help me understand what you were saying).
    Well I didn't think it was really that difficult to understand...

    The Saudi Arabian education ministry believes that bigoted bullshit is a good way to engage with young people of Muslim descent. Just that they believe in doing it with Islamic bigoted bullshit, rather than Judeo-Christian bigoted bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totemicist View Post
    Believe it or not I actually agree to an extent with the last comment by Judoka UK; I think there is a fundamental disconnect between the point I am attempting to make and what other posters are saying.

    Being that I do not have a history of being unable to discern another standpoint in a debate I am not sure what to do about this.

    I guess we will have to leave it that I am no more scared of muslims than any other group whilst you are, but are unable (not for lack of trying) to make me understand why this should be.

    I thank all those posters (Esp Gezere) who have so far genuinely engaged me to further my understanding of the issues (real or perceived) with Islam and the west (Unfortunately this does not include you Judoka UK as you made no attempt to actually help me understand what you were saying).

    I also apologise for disparaging Lebell and Zen who I quite like most of the time.
    Good lord you just pouted. Wow this is a strange summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    Well I didn't think it was really that difficult to understand...

    The Saudi Arabian education ministry believes that bigoted bullshit is a good way to engage with young people of Muslim descent. Just that they believe in doing it with Islamic bigoted bullshit, rather than Judeo-Christian bigoted bullshit.
    I agree that they are doing this.

    I just don't agree that it is a good way of engaging with people of Muslim descent and believe it is easily as damaging to our chances of solving the problems that we are talking about as the prejudice that I have experienced against people of muslim descent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totemicist View Post
    I agree that they are doing this.

    I just don't agree that it is a good way of engaging with people of Muslim descent and believe it is easily as damaging to our chances of solving the problems that we are talking about as the prejudice that I have experienced against people of muslim descent.
    You're still struggling with this reading thing aren't you.

    Go back and read my post and find the part where I said, I thought it was 'a good way of engaging with people of Muslim descent'.
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    Impeding on freedom isn't that facism?

    I love how these SHARPs and antifacist people so aggressively attack neo nazis. LET'S IMPEDE ON OTHERS FREEDOMS FOR THE SAKE OF FREEDOM!!. Even though you may disagree with them or even hate them, in this country you have the right to believe in whatever you want without persecution. I personally despise religion but you don't see me out burning churches and beating up priests. Let them be, this is America not socialist europe.
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    I didn't bring up the muzzies. Somebody brought up gunship footage, which to me is great entertainment. I just went with the flow from there.
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    Good lord you just pouted. Wow this is a strange summer.
    I'd be lying if I said I wasn't at least little embarrassed by that post reading it back...I'm not going to edit it though so there!

    Judoka UK - my question to you then is if you are not taking a position on it why is relevant to the debate?
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    Totemicist,
    the world isn't black or white, there are a lot of different shades of grey and a lot of others colours between them.

    What we experience is bound to where we live locally, which means that for someone as Hedge the rightwing hetero Christian white neonazi would be more of a threat, while for someone like me the extreme fundamental Muslim would be more of a threat.

    The world would be a better place if I could go to a Jewish butcher in a Muslim neighbourhood and order 5 pounds of bacon.
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