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    Quote Originally Posted by Totemicist View Post
    ...a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam. Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups. Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2007 to 2009 could be attributed to extremist Muslims.
    Here are the official tables provided in the reports…
    For 2006:

    For 2007:

    For 2008:

    (According to the report, there was 1 “Islamist attack” in the UK in 2008, which was omitted in the table above. It has been included in the bar graph below.)
    Just glancing at those tables is enough to know how absurd it is to claim that “all terrorists are Muslims.” That statement is nowhere near the truth. If we compile the data, it comes out to this:
    yes but of the 2 terrorist attacks in the UK in 2007 52 people were killed, I wouldn't say that they are the only terrorist threat out there to the west but they are by far the most deadly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    The us vs them approach can't be thrown out until BOTH sides do it. You won't get far telling people that they are the same as you and trying to welcome them into your society when the very invitation is a grave insult.
    Exactly. This is at the core of the assimilation vs accommodation issue i brought up earlier.
    This leads to underperfoming in education, thus higher poverty, thus higher crime and dependence on social welfare programs.
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    investments in the Danish educational system, an almost free educational system from basic
    school to university level, free mother-tongue language courses in all municipalities etc., there
    are still very large differences between the educational attainment of young native Danes and
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    http://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/104...99/1/dp749.pdf

    Coming to a host culture and expecting them to change is simply a little odd imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefron View Post
    There are obviously parts of Quran that say Muslims should kill infidels. Quran is the foundation of Islam, the holy book. So yes, one can assume that somebody who considers himself a Muslim is going to live by the rules written in their holy book.

    Now, the majority of Muslims are following the watered down rules of Islam, but that doesn't change the fact that those rules exist in the original book and religion.
    Same reason I'm not a Christian, actually. Too much stuff in that book which is just plain ridiculous and regressive. I don't understand most Christians...I mean, the name of the religion is fashioned after CHRIST, so it seems like the things which Jesus said should absolutely trump whatever someone else said, but for some reason supposed "Christians" too often fall back on the teachings of, say, Paul, who was a Pharisee. They seem to forget the part where Jesus was constantly at odds with the Pharisees about almost everything.

    The irony is that I probably follow the actual teachings of Christ himself more than most self identified Christians.
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    Why is there a general consensus that Nazis should be shunned and even persecuted because their ideology says they should kill or enslave those that are different or "inferior", and Muslims whose holy book basically says the same thing are OK?

    There are people that identify themselves as Nazis, but don't go around killing people. Should they get a free pass as a moderate Nazi who just believes in a watered down version of the core teachings?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    Coming to a host culture and expecting them to change is simply a little odd imo.
    If the host culture's government has developed the habit of telling immigrants that they can expect exactly that ^ (and that they can get guilt-ridden capitulation by screaming 'racism' at any who won't to go along)...then it's not in the least bit odd for the newcomers.

    They're simply going for the best deal that's being handed to them on a plate. Welcome to the West...until it isn't any more. What it'll be called after that, only time will tell. Won't be a long wait, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefron View Post
    Why is there a general consensus that Nazis should be shunned and even persecuted because their ideology says they should kill or enslave those that are different or "inferior", and Muslims whose holy book basically says the same thing are OK?

    There are people that identify themselves as Nazis, but don't go around killing people. Should they get a free pass as a moderate Nazi who just believes in a watered down version of the core teachings?

    Cause the Nazi's are better at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobyclumsyninja View Post
    The numbers indicate otherwise.
    No they don't

    You may have seen more of the one, but that doesn't make it more prevalent across the board. Do you disagree w/ the charts above?
    Is Europe the whole world?

    People may well have problems w/ Islam, beyond terrorism, but that doesn't mean everything can be hung on them, when it's clearly not the case.
    Name one thing that is being hung on Islam that isn't true. I'll wait.

    You are simply trying the us e the "We're not the only ones" line of arguing too and it means nothing because it is not disproving anything that has been said about Islam.
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