So after several years of thinking hane goshi was some weird-ass throw where you load someone onto your hips before sidekicking outwards between their legs for some reason, I finally realised that it's about loading up your hips to create tension (a bit like in a thai kick) before letting the hips 'spring' back into position to throw them, with the leg merely guiding the uke.
Now that I (think I) get it, this throw seems pretty damn cool, a short, snappy technique done if you're square on to your opponent, but I've heard from just about everyone that it's a really rare technique to see in randori and competition. Why is this?
I know very little of Hane-Goshi,
But you did ask for this:
Sם I'll tell you, that according to legend, one guy in my gym who used to compete, trained for roughly 6 months in Japan and has beautiful Judo, used this throw against a terrorist and it saved his life. No ****.
but I've heard from just about everyone that it's a really rare technique to see in randori and competition. Why is this?
The actual story:
anyway, that's enough anecdote-ing on my part, carry on with the technical stuff, I'm curious.
Pretty much any time you can use hane goshi you could use uchi mata instead. For example, you can throw uchi mata from virtually the same entry j_uk posted. Uchi mata is easier and more versatile.
Originally Posted by kultist
I almost don't believe it just because someone said they used hane-goshi!
As to Res' statement, I do not entirely agree.
While uchi-mata may be an easier throw, hane-goshi is not without its own applications. Hane-goshi can be a better throw for when uke is moving backwards. Can uchi-mata be used for this as well? Most definitely, but the unique springing action of hane-goshi compliments uke's movement well. This is just one example.
Hane-goshi is in my experience, one of the most (if not THE most) improperly taught techniques in Judo. It is a very difficult technique, but it is not without its applications, and under the guidance of a good instructor is effective (still it's fucking hard).
Like everything in Judo.
Fair enough, but there's a reason uchi mata is one of the most common scoring techniques in Judo and hane goshi is almost never seen.
Don't get me wrong, if someone asked me whether they should concentrate heavily on uchi-mata or hane-goshi, I would say uchi-mata damn near 100% of the time.
Fun fact though, from what I understand hane-goshi used to be a commonly scoring technique. I'll see if I can track down where I read that.
Edit: Ok, couldn't find the source, but I seem to remember hane-goshi lost prominence in the 60s because the Soviets were excellent at countering most koshi-waza (hip techniques). This is purely from the bowels of my labyrinthine mind, and could be completely wrong.
Last edited by Mas; 7/06/2011 9:46pm at .
You can use the 'slicing a throw in half' or oikomi entry for a load of throws. I've previously outlined how Koga does it for Seoi nage and Inoue for Uchi mata here.
Originally Posted by Res Judicata
Given how easy it is for people to blur the lines between a 'hippy' Uchi mata and a Hane goshi, I have come to suspect that the prevalence of Hane goshi was not actually because there were more Hane goshi rather that more people mis-reported 'hippy' Uchi mata as Hane goshi.
Originally Posted by Mas
I wouldn't be surprised, not in the least.
Like the poetry of my story better though.
"The evil red menace to democracy and freedom, counters all hip techniques! How will we react? The whole world's eyes are on our brave men and women, outwitting the hulking red juggernaut!"
Is this an on topic post that's discusses the thread topic in a technical way?
Originally Posted by Mas
No? Then what the hell is it doing in the training area?
This is not YMAS people. Stay on topic.
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