Posted On:6/27/2011 7:51am
Style: Holiday Judo
When executing hip throws (JJJ) I'm often told that I've "gone in too deep" with my hips. When i try it at the prescribed distance the throw feels more like i'm trying pick up my opponent and hurl them WWE style so my question is this: Is there a set distance (tori from uke) that this should be performed at or does it just depend on the performer?
Also, training in a compliant art I have never been "punished" for this mistake so what are the ramifications?
Many thanks in advance.
Posted On:6/27/2011 8:00am
This answer your question?
Posted On:6/27/2011 8:27am
I think i spotted it. I'm travelling towards uke to play out the throw instead of off-balancing uke. I have no kuzushi which would be why its hard for me to achieve if i'm not in deep.
Posted On:6/27/2011 8:42am
The idea of the triangle is that you leave sufficient space to fit your body into and off balance uke into. Normally by stepping on the line of uke’s toes people leave neither and thus throw failure.
It does depend on what kind of hip throw you’re doing with regards to the difficult to doing it. O goshi is actually pretty difficult to do on a static uke, because putting the arm around the back puts you in a weird position and makes it hard to off balance uke and step in properly. I’ve stopped teaching O goshi to beginners, because its just too difficult for them.
You might also want to try doing the throw from a moving situation like so:
This makes it easier to maintain spacing and fit in properly, if you do it properly as I outline in the article.
Oh and as for your question about being countered etc… if you’ve never done randori with throwing then basically anything you do will be counterable because you want have any applicable throwing skill against a resisting opponent.
Posted On:6/27/2011 8:56am
O goshi was the throw i was thinking of. I've been trying to pull this one off against a static uke wich is why i've been making the mistake of moving toward them rather than vice versa i think.
...because putting the arm around the back puts you in a weird position...
I do tend to end up twisted out of shape, as it were. Looked like the easiest throw in the world when it was demonstrated but i might have to move on to something a bit more noob friendly.
Posted On:6/27/2011 9:03am
Yeh its mechanically quite simple, but the actual reality is its quite a difficult throw. You don’t see it an awful lot in randori for this reason. Its hard for noobs because having your arm round someone for most people brings your hips into contact with theirs which automatically gives you spacing issues.
Its ‘easiest’ in my opinion to do O goshi from a oikomi step in a right on left/left on right situation. However, that’s a pretty big skill leap for any beginner.
Probably best to find a competent Judo instructor if you feel that the JJJ isn’t giving you good enough throwing practice.
Don’t know if this is in your part of Surry but Camberley is a level 10 Judo club.
Alternatively Pyrford is run by a 6th dan so that should be a good club, on paper.
Posted On:6/27/2011 9:14am
Funny you should mention training judo because to posts from yourself, BKR and coach josh i've decided to jack in the sword play in favour of judo.
The closest club to me is Dorking Judo. There is a thread i didn't finish reading about the place but it wasn't looking too good when i left it.
Woking and Camberley can be a bitch to get to so i'll have to look into the club times.
Its not just the throwing; in my 2.5yrs there i think we've covered about 90 different techniques but thats more for YMAS.
Cheers for the advice, much appreciated.
Posted On:6/27/2011 9:31am
Glad to have helped.
Here's a full list of clubs in Surrey.
BARROW HILLS SCHOOL
Location: ROKE LANE, SURREY - GU8 5NY
Training times: Boys and Girls Tuesday 15:30 - 17:30
BUDOKAN JUDO CLUB
Location: FRIMLEY GREEN VILLAGE HALL, FRIMLEY, SURREY - GU16 8AL
Training times: Boys & Girls (5 - 16 years) Thursday 18:30 - 19:45
Boys & Girls (5 - 16 years) Friday 17:30 - 18:15
Boys & Girls (7 + years) Friday 18:30 - 19:45
Phone: 01252 673421
Contact name: MRS ANNA-MARIE BRIDGES
CAMBERLEY JUDO CLUB
Location: CLUB HOUSE, SURREY - GU15 4EP
Training times: Men & Women Randori Tuesday& Thursday 20:00 - 21:30
Men & Women Randori Wednesday 11:00 - 12:30
Advanced Juniors Tuesday& Thursday 19:00 - 20:00
Beginners 4 - 6 Yrs Tuesday& Thursday 17:30 - 18:00
Beginners 7+ Tuesday& Thursday 18:00 - 19:00
Men & Women Technique Wednesday 19:00 - 20:30
Phone: 01276 62925
Contact name: LUKE PRESTON
CROYDON JUDO CLUB
Location: 38 MORLAND AVENUE, SURREY - CRO 6EA
Training times: Mixed Teens + 14 yrs Thursday 20:00 - 21:30
Men & Women Monday& Tuesday& Friday 20:00 - 21:30
Women Only Wednesday 19:00 - 20:30
Men & Women Sunday 10:30 - 12:00
Boys & Girls Monday& Tuesday& Thursday 18:30 - 20:00
Men & Women Wednesday 20:30 - 22:00
Boys & Girls Friday 18:00 - 19:00
Phone: 0208 656 5888
Contact name: NEIL SCARSE
DORKING JC(FRIENDS' PROVIDENT)
Location: FRIENDS' PROVIDENT LIFE OFFICE, DORKING, SURREY - RH4 1QA
Training times: Women Friday 20:30 - 22:00
Boys & Girls Friday 18:30 - 20:30
Phone: 01342 317909
Contact name: JILLIAN T ANDERSON
DORKING JUDO CLUB
Location: DORKING RFC PAVILION, BETCHWORTH, SURREY - RH3 7LZ
Training times: Men & Women Thursday 20:00 - 22:00
Boys & Girls Monday 18:00 - 21:00
Boys & Girls Thursday 18:00 - 20:00
Phone: 01342 317909
Contact name: JILLIAN ANDERSON
DRAGON JUDO CLUB
Location: 4TH WALTON SCOUTS HUT, WALTON ON THAMES, SURREY - KT15 3BL
Training times: Venue: 4th Walton Scouts hut& 7 - 10 yrs Saturday 11:30 - 12:30
Venue: 4th Walton Scouts hut& 4 - 7 yrs Saturday 10:30 - 11:30
Venue: 4th Walton Scouts hut& 10 - 18 yrs Saturday 09:30 - 10:30
Venue: 4th Walton Scouts hut& Seniors Saturday 12:30 - 01:30
Venue: Fullbrook Leisure Centre& New Haw& KT15 3HW& 4-7 yrs Wednesday 17:00 - 18
Venue: Fullbrook Leisure Centre& New Haw& KT15 3HW& 7-10 yrs Wednesday 18:00 - 1
Venue: Fullbrook Leisure Centre& New Haw& KT15 3HW& Seniors Wednesday 19:00 - 2
Venue: Cleves School& weybridge& KT13 9TS& 6 - 8 yrs Thursday 15:30 - 16:30
Venue: Cleves School& weybridge& KT13 9TS& 8 - 10 yrs Thursday 16:30 - 17:30
Venue: Cleves School& weybridge& KT13 9TS& 10 - 16 yrs Thursday 17:30 - 18:30
Phone: 01932 248441
Contact name: GRAHAM MOORE
HAMPTON JUNIOR SCHOOL
Location: PERCY ROAD, MIDDLESEX - TW12 2LA
Training times: Boys & Girls Wednesday 15:30 - 17:15
INTER'AL JUDO & KARATE ACADEMY
Location: EGHAM YOUTH CENTRE, EGHAM - TW20 9DY
Training times: Mixed Saturday 13:00 - 15:00
Phone: 07966 401542
Contact name: M.SAMI EL-TAJI
JUDO CLUB OSAKA FROGMORE
Location: FROGMORE INFANT SCHOOL, FROGMORE, CAMBERLEY - GU17 0NY
Contact name: MICHELLE STEVENS
NUTFIELD JUDO CLUB
Location: NUTFIELD VILLAGE HALL, SOUTH NUTFIELD - RH1 4JH
Training times: Men & Women Friday 19:30 - 21:00
Boys & Girls Friday 17:00 - 19:30
Phone: 01737 822558
Contact name: DANNY HARPER
PARISH CHURCH JUDO CLUB
Location: PARISH CHURCH JUNIOR SCHOOL, CROYDON, SURREY - CR0 4BH
Training times: Boys & Girls Monday 15:20 - 16:20
Phone: 0208 660 2766
Contact name: D WHEELER
PYRFORD JUDO CLUB
Location: THE ARBOR CENTRE, PYRFORD, WOKING, SURREY - GU22 8ST
Training times: Men & Women Thursday 20:00 - 21:00
Boys & Girls Thursday 19:00 - 20:00
Boys & Girls Saturday 09:30 - 13:30
Phone: 01932 842259
Contact name: GRAHAM HOPTROFF
REDHILL JUDO CLUB
Location: YMCA REIGATE AND REDHILL, REDHILL - RH1 6JJ
Training times: Boys & Girls Saturday 13:45 - 14:45
Men & Women Tuesday& Thursday 19:15 - 20:45
Boys & Girls Tuesday 18:15 - 19:15
Phone: 07951 065224
Contact name: MIKE MOUNAWAH
ROYAL HOLLOWAY JUDO CLUB
Location: SPORTS CENTRE, UNIVERSITY OF LONDON - TW20 0EX
Training times: Men & Women Thursday 18:00 - 20:00
Contact name: KATY WILLIAMS
SLEEPING STORM JUDO CLUB
Location: RAINBOW LEISURE CENTRE, EPSOM - KT17 1BN
Training times: All - Term Times Friday 17:00 - 18:00
Contact name: EDWARD SEMPLE
SOVEREIGN JUDO CLUB
Location: SOVEREIGN YOUTH CENTRE, REIGATE, SURREY - RH2 8HA
Training times: Wednesday 18:30 - 22:00
Friday 18:30 - 21:00
Phone: 01737 248521
Contact name: GRAHAM BEAGLEY
SURREY POLICE JUDO CLUB
Location: SURREY POLICE HQ, GUILDFORD - GU3 1HG
Training times: Seniors Only Wednesday 19:30 - 21:00
Phone: 07967 986608
Contact name: ANDY GRAND
TORA KAI JUDO CLUB
Location: ELMBRIDGE XCEL LEISURE COMPLEX, WALTON ON THAMES - KT12 2JG
Training times: Boys & Girls Monday - Friday 16:30 - 19:30
Phone: 01932 227655
Contact name: ADRIAN PEARMAN
UNIVERSITY OF SURREY JUDO CLUB
Location: SURREY SPORTS PARK, GUILDFORD - GU2 7AD
Training times: Men & Women Thursday 20:00 - 22:00
Contact name: . .
WESTCROFT (CHEAM) JUDO CLUB
Location: CHEAM LEISURE CENTRE, CHEAM - SM3 8EP
Training times: Boys & Girls Monday 16:15 - 17:45
Phone: 0208 770 1312
Contact name: ANDREW JAMES EDE
WESTCROFT JUDO CIC
Location: CARSHALTON BOYS SPORTS COLLEGE, CARSHALTON - SM5 1RW
Training times: TBC 00:00 - 00:00
Phone: 0845 056 0241
Contact name: ANDY EDE
WESTCROFT JUDO CLUB
Location: WESTCROFT LEISURE CENTRE, SURREY - SM1 1EA
Training times: All Saturday 09:00 - 11:30
Contact name: ANDREW EDE
WESTCROFT JUDO CLUB (NORK)
Location: ST PAULS CHURCH HALL, SURREY - SM7 1LG
Training times: Monday 18:00 - 22:00
Thursday 16:00 - 22:00
Saturday 08:30 - 12:00
Phone: 01737 358523
Contact name: RACHELLE SEXTON
WESTCROFT PHOENIX JUDO CLUB
Location: THE PHOENIX CENTRE, WALLINGTON - SM6 9NZ
Training times: Men & Women Monday 20:30 - 22:00
Boys & Girls Monday 19:00 - 20:30
Boys & Girls Friday 16:00 - 18:30
Phone: 0845 056 0241
WITLEY YAMABUSHI JUDO CLUB
Location: CHANDLER C OF E PRIMARY SCHOOL, WITLEY, SURREY - GU8 5PB
Training times: SCHOOL PUPILS ONLY Friday 15:30 - 18:00
Boys & Girls Saturday 09:00 - 11:00
Older Boys & Girls & Adults by prior agreement Saturday 11:00 - 12:15
Boys & Girls Tuesday 18:30 - 19:30
Older Boys & Girls & Adults by prior agreement Tuesday 19:30 - 20:45
Phone: 0208 339 9138
Contact name: PETER SWETTENHAM
Location: ROBIN HOOD SCHOOL, KINGSTON VALE - SW15 3QL
Training times: Men & Women Monday& Wednesday 20:00 - 21:30
Boys and Girls Monday& Wednesday 19:00 - 20:00
Phone: 07768 893685
Contact name: LLOYD NICHOLLS
YOSHIN RYU JUDO CLUB
Location: COULSDON MARTIAL ARTS, COULSDON,SURREY - CR5 2AG
Training times: Men & Women Monday 19:15 - 20:30
Men & Women Thursday 20:30 - 22:00
Boys & Girls Thursday 18:00 - 20:15
Boys & Girls Saturday 09:00 - 12:45
Phone: 0208 763 0775
Contact name: NEIL BRADFORD
For a directory of clubs on the counties neighbouring Surrey go here:
And just click on the relevant county.
Posted On:6/27/2011 9:47am
Nice one! There is a couple there right on my doorstep that didn't ping up in a google search.
Should keep out of trouble for a bit.
Posted On:6/27/2011 9:52am
Most Judo coaches fail epically at ‘teh internets’ its one of my, almost endless, list of pet peeves about how Judo is taught in the UK.
If you’re going to contact them for session times etc… I suggest phoning rather than e-mailing as often it’s the only reliable way to get in contact with Judo coaches as they stick a contact e-mail address on the form to the BJA, forget the password and forget about the account and so e-mail correspondence goes unanswered.
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