In need of a Judoka

**Cake of Doom** · Posted On: 6/27/2011 7:51am

When executing hip throws (JJJ) I'm often told that I've "gone in too deep" with my hips. When i try it at the prescribed distance the throw feels more like i'm trying pick up my opponent and hurl them WWE style so my question is this: Is there a set distance (tori from uke) that this should be performed at or does it just depend on the performer?

Also, training in a compliant art I have never been "punished" for this mistake so what are the ramifications?

Many thanks in advance.

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 6/27/2011 8:00am

This answer your question?

http://thedifficultway.blogspot.com/.../triangle.html

**Cake of Doom** · Posted On: 6/27/2011 8:27am

I think i spotted it. I'm travelling towards uke to play out the throw instead of off-balancing uke. I have no kuzushi which would be why its hard for me to achieve if i'm not in deep.

cheers!

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 6/27/2011 8:42am

The idea of the triangle is that you leave sufficient space to fit your body into and off balance uke into. Normally by stepping on the line of uke’s toes people leave neither and thus throw failure.

It does depend on what kind of hip throw you’re doing with regards to the difficult to doing it. O goshi is actually pretty difficult to do on a static uke, because putting the arm around the back puts you in a weird position and makes it hard to off balance uke and step in properly. I’ve stopped teaching O goshi to beginners, because its just too difficult for them.

You might also want to try doing the throw from a moving situation like so:
http://thedifficultway.blogspot.com/...-drilling.html

This makes it easier to maintain spacing and fit in properly, if you do it properly as I outline in the article.

Oh and as for your question about being countered etc… if you’ve never done randori with throwing then basically anything you do will be counterable because you want have any applicable throwing skill against a resisting opponent.

**Cake of Doom** · Posted On: 6/27/2011 8:56am

O goshi was the throw i was thinking of. I've been trying to pull this one off against a static uke wich is why i've been making the mistake of moving toward them rather than vice versa i think.

...because putting the arm around the back puts you in a weird position...

I do tend to end up twisted out of shape, as it were. Looked like the easiest throw in the world when it was demonstrated but i might have to move on to something a bit more noob friendly.

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 6/27/2011 9:03am

Yeh its mechanically quite simple, but the actual reality is its quite a difficult throw. You don’t see it an awful lot in randori for this reason. Its hard for noobs because having your arm round someone for most people brings your hips into contact with theirs which automatically gives you spacing issues.

Its ‘easiest’ in my opinion to do O goshi from a oikomi step in a right on left/left on right situation. However, that’s a pretty big skill leap for any beginner.

Probably best to find a competent Judo instructor if you feel that the JJJ isn’t giving you good enough throwing practice.

Don’t know if this is in your part of Surry but Camberley is a level 10 Judo club.
http://www.camberleyjudo.co.uk/

Alternatively Pyrford is run by a 6th dan so that should be a good club, on paper.
http://www.pyrfordjudo.com/

**Cake of Doom** · Posted On: 6/27/2011 9:14am

Funny you should mention training judo because to posts from yourself, BKR and coach josh i've decided to jack in the sword play in favour of judo.

The closest club to me is Dorking Judo. There is a thread i didn't finish reading about the place but it wasn't looking too good when i left it.

Woking and Camberley can be a bitch to get to so i'll have to look into the club times.

Its not just the throwing; in my 2.5yrs there i think we've covered about 90 different techniques but thats more for YMAS.

Cheers for the advice, much appreciated.

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 6/27/2011 9:31am

Glad to have helped.

Here's a full list of clubs in Surrey.

Spoiler:

For a directory of clubs on the counties neighbouring Surrey go here:

http://www.britishjudo.org.uk/thesport/findclub.php

And just click on the relevant county.

**Cake of Doom** · Posted On: 6/27/2011 9:47am

Nice one! There is a couple there right on my doorstep that didn't ping up in a google search.

Should keep out of trouble for a bit.

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 6/27/2011 9:52am

Most Judo coaches fail epically at ‘teh internets’ its one of my, almost endless, list of pet peeves about how Judo is taught in the UK.

If you’re going to contact them for session times etc… I suggest phoning rather than e-mailing as often it’s the only reliable way to get in contact with Judo coaches as they stick a contact e-mail address on the form to the BJA, forget the password and forget about the account and so e-mail correspondence goes unanswered.