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  1. CrackFox is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmike_ebw View Post
    I thought that was a given.
    Contrast with Japan, where I've been told that getting your first dan is more dependent on showing commitment than knowing the syllabus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackFox View Post
    ORLY?

    I thought it was common knowledge that in Japan first dan is more an indication that you are a fully committed member of the club than of your technical ability. A first dan has reached the stage where they can be bounced around like there's no tomorrow without throwing a wobbly and quitting.
    See, that statement may be true, but maybe you don't realise that being "bounced around like there's no tomorrow" is generally an entirely different prospect in Japan than it is in many other judo practicing countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin View Post
    What I'm saying is that it's typical for an american to play a game that only he plays and call himself a world champion.
    I honestly have no idea where you're going with this one. Different organisations grade people using different criteria. What's the big deal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamaarashi View Post
    but maybe you don't realise that being "bounced around like there's no tomorrow" is generally an entirely different prospect in Japan than it is in many other judo practicing countries.
    In what way?
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    I've actually also heard something like this.
    I remember him telling us that Japanese players are excellent but their shodans are technically around our brown belts.
    Again, just his point of view and experience.

    Also, off course Colin is right as well, there is a huge variance between shodans from my club alone, that any such generalisation is fairly pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackFox View Post
    I honestly have no idea where you're going with this one. Different organisations grade people using different criteria. What's the big deal?
    I'm suggesting that there is a relationship between American sports and elitism.
    In case you aren't sure what I mean by that, it doesn't mean they are better athletes. (and yes, I feel this is 100% relevant to the OP)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gidi View Post
    Also, of course Colin is right as well, there is a huge variance between shodans from my club alone, that any such generalisation is fairly pointless.
    This is my main point. Gidi has the correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamaarashi View Post
    See, that statement may be true, but maybe you don't realise that being "bounced around like there's no tomorrow" is generally an entirely different prospect in Japan than it is in many other judo practicing countries.
    That sounds like a Japanophile statement as opposed to one with any founding in reason. Are you suggesting that the japanese are inherently stronger in Judo, because Jigoro Kano invented it?

    By that logic, England should have won the world cup again by now. The spanish basketball team should be awful, and South Africa and New Zealand would suck at rugby.
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    I'm suggesting that there is a relationship between American sports and elitism.
    Yes, but what in the name of **** does that have to do with anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmike_ebw View Post
    That sounds like a Japanophile statement as opposed to one with any founding in reason. Are you suggesting that the japanese are inherently stronger in Judo, because Jigoro Kano invented it?

    By that logic, England should have won the world cup again by now. The spanish basketball team should be awful, and South Africa and New Zealand would suck at rugby.
    Mike's just bitter that they still can't beat us at cricket :)


    Quote Originally Posted by CrackFox View Post
    Yes, but what in the name of **** does that have to do with anything?
    Well, it might motivate someone to post what the OP posted..
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    Mike's just bitter that they still can't beat us at cricket :)




    Well, it might motivate someone to post what the OP posted..
    I cant stand cricket, yet somehow, that hurt on a deep psychological level.
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