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  1. Team Python is offline

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    6/20/2011 3:35pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sang View Post
    The sit out we're taught looks very different to that, the pro's manage to use it successfully just about once a fight.

    We're also taught another escape from here which I've found really easy to learn which gets you to their back. Not sure of the techniques name but I can describe it if anyone is interested.
    Are you talking about the arm drag version which puts you in a position to take the back.
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    6/21/2011 9:19am


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    Normally before it is set I put leg up on the side I want to go and posture up under one of the arms, but what I am getting here is that once it is set, there aren't too many options. The coach had a different option that I can't recall very well.
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    Arm in or arm out?
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    I like this guy's attention to detail about the head and coming to his feet.
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    Pending an answer to WhiteShark's question above, I usually do the following assuming that it is arm out (the person on top only has an arm around my neck):

    In this example, their right arm is around my neck and gable gripped on the right side of my head.

    1) Post on their hips to frame and maintain distance. If they can get their hips close to me, they can begin finishing it and drastically increase their mobility. Me framing on their hips prevents them from pulling guard.

    2) Work my head out to the right (towards their hands). Keeping my left hand on their hips, I use my right arm to work my head out to the same side as their hands. This involves cupping their right wrist with my right hand and locking my elbow to my body to maintain any space, then wriggling my head over.

    3) ONLY after working my head to one side, I post my left foot on their right knee, kick out, and sweep to side control. When you land, your head and hips will be on opposite sides of their body which makes it INCREDIBLY difficult to finish the guillotine. If you sweep to the same side as your head, they can finish it from half-guard bottom.

    4) Free your head.

    If your arm is in, the escape is different because if you try to sweep with your arm in, they will just "gator roll" through and get back on top.

    This is what works for me. It isn't quite a sit-out (I'm too slow to hit 90% of sit-outs reliably) and relies on a bit of flexibility (to get your foot to their knee).
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    6/22/2011 9:02am


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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    Arm in or arm out?
    arm in? Not sure I understand the question.
    Well the first thing I do is feed my opposite arm under the armpit of the arm of the opponents choking arm and pry it off with my shoulder and neck while posturing, assuming and can get under it (not a safe assumption, of course)
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    6/22/2011 1:24pm

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    There are two primary variation of guillotine. One you have the head and one arm. In the other you have just the head.
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    6/23/2011 8:59am


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    My version I only have the head.
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    6/23/2011 1:37pm

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    Ah-ha! That is a whole different problem. Sit-outs and the like won't really help. Mostly they need to block your hips.
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    6/23/2011 9:23pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    Ah-ha! That is a whole different problem. Sit-outs and the like won't really help. Mostly they need to block your hips.
    Yes, once I am locked in, I seldom lose control until I try something different. Are you saying block the hips before it sets?
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