Werdum really, really should have had a Plan B. Or if he did, he should have had a better one. I found Dave Herman's claim that BJJ "really doesn't work" to be highly amusing, but what Werdum was doing made me think of Dave Herman. If you can't actually get your opponent to the ground, then BJJ's usefulness is going to be severely limited. This is where wrestling comes in. I know Overeem isn't the easiest guy to take down, but it seemed like he completely stopped trying for an orthodox takedown after Overeem sprawled out of a few in the first round. So ironically it's wrestling that Werdum should be working more on now, not his striking (or judo, if he can train with a guy like Satoshi Ishii). He's never going to be a better overall striker than Overeem, but it seems worlds better than it used to be and is actually commendable.
Nope, but neither should they make him stand. Let him do this:
Originally Posted by WhiteShark
if he wants to.
Originally Posted by elipson
I'm fine with allowing that tactic - if they also allow head kicks to a grounded opponent. Otherwise, it just amounts to stalling.
Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
1. yes, it's an MMA match. that's why Werdum lost. and i don't see where i said the decision should have been otherwise. what the hell are you talking about? who said anything about the fight being "unfair" for Werdum? i was more analyzing what Werdum was doing vs. what were his options in this scenario, and i don't believe he had too many. i'm merely stating he shouldn't get that much flack, as he was doing what he could to try and catch something without getting mauled on the way (and you could visibly tell he was getting damaged in the striking exchanges, as he'd get up slower each time, yet he'd keep trying to mess with Reem and see if he could get him to **** up)
Originally Posted by Himura
2. about as hard as it is to work your ground game when your opponent stands up at every opportunity, and outweighs you by a decent bit. you can't blame Werdum for trying to change levels into where he's good, not to mention sparing him death by punch to the face. if you do, then give Overeem **** for refusing to work inside his guard. they were BOTH avoiding eachother.
3. it's on him to bring it to the ground, for sure. he's free to do this any way he sees fit, trickery or otherwise. but please, PLEASE explain to me your master plan to take overeem down, that doesn't involve wrestling with him because you'd get beat, or clinching with him in general to throw because he will probably knee you into oblivion or perhaps uppercut your jaw into space or just dirty box you into a bloody mess.
also, Overeem had this to say on his appearance on The MMA Hour:
"I won the fight but I was not satisfied," Overeem said. "I didn't get a KO. I worked hard, and when i look at the fight, I did dominate him. I stuck to the game plan but you have to give credit to Fabricio -- he was prepared. He was not going to get suckered into my game, which is the stand up, and he got me out of my game. His takedowns were not successful, but I think he trained hard for this fight, he really wanted to win. I felt his power and he was there to win."
he also said he doesn't respect the way Werdum was doing things, frantically flopping and pulling guard, but i think the above does state Overeem could tell Werdum was working hard trying to get him. just as he wouldn't get suckered into Werdum's game, Werdum refused to play his.
Werdum looked like a bitch.
Quite a flip flop from this interview where he trashes Werdum, saying he didn't come to fight and he should be ashamed etc.
Originally Posted by ronaldk
Originally Posted by Odacon
That's just what we call pillow-talk, baby.
Repost, cause I love this so much.
Originally Posted by Shawarma
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