Bujinkan Randori? Video

**crappler** · Posted On: 6/17/2011 4:25pm

Originally Posted by yli

You're probably one of the few real ninja out there.

Are you participating in Modesto, CA's ninja parade this year?

http://www.theonion.com/video/ninja-...nce-aga,14181/

I keep going to that year after year and somehow I don't ever see a single ninjer.

**crappler** · Posted On: 6/17/2011 4:29pm

Originally Posted by RRWAA

Yes all randori is a drill. All "sparring" is a drill as well! Even kata and prearranged training is a drill. Just to be clear Randori is often translated (poorly) as sparring. Sparring is different. A basic way to understand randori is that from preset training, you begin to add chaos.

In any techniques, to learn it, you must train with zero resistance, you set up a situation to teach a concept. Then because nothing in life is set up, we must train to apply concepts in unpredictable and changing environments. That is randori...

What you see in the video is in our dojo level 1. Meaning that while still taking turns, the "feed" is not static. There is movement and different energy. They were allowed to attempt a limited number of techniques and had to find the timing and distance etc. to pull it off.

As can be seen a few times the balance of the uke was not taken properly, or the distance was off etc. This is the only way to learn, you must log hours of these types of drills or you can never really use what you "know"...

At this level they were still helping each other, yet trying to provide a bit more challenge than static training...

Thanks for the question.

-Rick

We differentiate between compliance drills and drills where there is none.

**proteinshakez** · Posted On: 6/17/2011 6:30pm

i went to view the first few vids but they're gone? :(

**Lindz** · Posted On: 6/17/2011 6:52pm

Embedding disabled by request doesn't mean they're gone. Just click the box where the video should be. Will open utube in a new window/tab.

**Lu Tze** · Posted On: 6/17/2011 7:17pm

Originally Posted by Lindz

So how is level 1 randori supposed to work? Normally taking turns would mean it's a drill and not randori/sparring.

In Judo we call this kind of training nage komi. The term randori is reserved for something completely different, because:

“In randori, one must search out the opponent's weaknesses and be ready to attack with all the resources at his disposal the moment the opportunity presents itself, without violating the rules of judo.” -- Jigoro Kano.

How can you learn to "search out weaknesses" and be "ready to attack ... the moment the opportunity presents", if you're taking it in turns?

Chaos, indeed. I can't be too harsh considering how low the bar is set, but trust a ninja to miss the point.

**Disastorm** · Posted On: 6/17/2011 7:42pm

Originally Posted by Lu Tze

In Judo we call this kind of training nage komi. The term randori is reserved for something completely different, because:

“In randori, one must search out the opponent's weaknesses and be ready to attack with all the resources at his disposal the moment the opportunity presents itself, without violating the rules of judo.” -- Jigoro Kano.

How can you learn to "search out weaknesses" and be "ready to attack ... the moment the opportunity presents", if you're taking it in turns?

Chaos, indeed. I can't be too harsh considering how low the bar is set, but trust a ninja to miss the point.

He said that the higher randori are
"two people both going for it, not taking turns and both trying to stop the other. much more videos will be coming soon!"

so we'll see the videos of it soon.

**RRWAA** · Posted On: 6/17/2011 10:08pm

Sorry I'll fix that straight away!

Originally Posted by proteinshakez

i went to view the first few vids but they're gone? :(

**AMF** · Posted On: 6/17/2011 10:12pm

Originally Posted by RRWAA

Sure we will have many more videos coming of this but here are a few..

(Some where in the thread already btw...)

A bit of constructive criticism?

I would have given them 30 seconds on the mat to get a sub before standing them up.

But other than that, good stuff.

**RRWAA** · Posted On: 6/17/2011 10:13pm

Originally Posted by Lu Tze

In Judo we call this kind of training nage komi. The term randori is reserved for something completely different, because:

“In randori, one must search out the opponent's weaknesses and be ready to attack with all the resources at his disposal the moment the opportunity presents itself, without violating the rules of judo.” -- Jigoro Kano.

How can you learn to "search out weaknesses" and be "ready to attack ... the moment the opportunity presents", if you're taking it in turns?

Chaos, indeed. I can't be too harsh considering how low the bar is set, but trust a ninja to miss the point.

Sir I find the tone and wordage your using offensive. It makes me feel as though your just going to be argumentative and not really interested in discussion. Having said that, #1, Nice quote from kano, BUT he didn't invent randori AND what he is saying is indeed true for the ultimate expression of randori. You say "In Judo we call this kind of training nage komi." ok. In Ninpo and traditiuonal Jujutsu, we call it a stage of randori. Whats your point?

And

"Chaos, indeed. I can't be too harsh considering how low the bar is set, but trust a ninja to miss the point."

I find this to be an ignorant and offensive argumentative comment... I have said and done nothing to you for you to reply to me in this way.

Good day..

**RRWAA** · Posted On: 6/17/2011 10:16pm

Originally Posted by AMF

A bit of constructive criticism?

I would have given them 30 seconds on the mat to get a sub before standing them up.

But other than that, good stuff.

Thanks man appreciate it. I was trying to focus just on standing. I often limit what they can do to develop specific aspects of totality. Also we have what we term all in, meaning it goes where it goes...

And, regardless what the other poster alluded they were very tired at this point and I fear that they would have just laid on each other! LOL!

Cheers!

-Rick