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    Quote Originally Posted by pokeroo View Post
    What he said.
    yes we do
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    Yes I agree they sure can be, that is why I said double edged. pro and con. The con is that with ANY protection, injury is less likely to happen. traditional techniques are designed to cause injury and you cannot train that other than in kata. let me explain...

    Attacks to eyes, groin or with weapons etc. Will cause a severe injury and in truth will have some sort of effect. The attacker will react somehow, if they don't your in big trouble! LOL! In a kata we can "act out" the effect of those so called "x-rated" techniques and then follow up with the logical flow. This type of training is what will "probably" happen if the technique were carried out.

    BUT

    it IS ACTING, and therefore there is always doubt because , "what if"?

    In comes drills and sparring etc...

    Now we make harder contact and things get more free, but we protect ourselves so we don't get hurt and with that protection comes un-realism.

    let me explain that, if you really did land something to the eys, or a solid groin kick for example, the attacker would at the very least pause! If you pad that up the pain goes away the INJURY goes away and he will go right through it. So that is not real and you can change training that WOULD work for real because of a training method...

    Does this make sense?

    Sparring is good for ring sports because it almost is exactly what you will do in the ring! but it is only a limited tool for street defense because of all the things you cannot do in sparring that you CAN do in the street!

    you need a multi level training curriculum, (in my opinion for what i do) kata, drills ad randori, scenario training, bag and pad work etc...

    The only thing REAL is REAL! And all we can do is approach it from various angles each training method having a pro and a con..

    That's just my opinion...

    Best,

    -Rick
    Well put. I can't disagree that with rules in place the realism of the street disappears, but without that level of aliveness things like timing and sensitivity fail to develop. I think the question is, do you guys incorporate at all training say with a limited rule set barring x rated attacks, and hard resistance alongside the drills with acting etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokeroo View Post
    When it comes to ninjas, usually there is a lot of skepticism about claims of training with resistance or sparring. The main reason is everyone including myself who has trained has been told to generally avoid "hard sparring" because the techniques are too dangerous, or in some cases deadly, and someone could get hurt. This is an obvious one for some of the real dirty techniques or bone/joint breaking ones, but you generally don't see any sparring.

    I must admit I would be interested to see as well something that resembles the resistance of equivalent to what a Judoka might train if he or she were going to compete soon and wanted their partner to fully resist being thrown and completely try and throw them.
    I understand,

    yes some techniques ARE too dangerous to go full out with. BUT and that is a BIG BUTT err But.. ;) That leaves a TON of stuff you CAN train with resistance! And I think many don't do it because they really don't know how, or.. Because they will see they are not the magic yoda's they thought they were! I would rather REALLY know where I stand, not create a false environment where I am some master sending people flying with a touch!

    All arts Judo, BJJ MMA all of them do drills from ZERO resistance to full on. it is called progressive resistance just like weight training.

    And I know that many people want to see it at a high level so they can have faith that Ninpo CAN really be applied! I understand. but, I am sorry to say we at my dojo do not have any level 10's yet. But we are trying! I could do that if I did just grappling and boxing etc.. but to keep it Ninpo techniques only, we are not there yet..

    I can of course show you two people both going for it, not taking turns and both trying to stop the other. much more videos will be coming soon! and btw, you can see a video in this thread of students doing jab cross and front kick in a totally resistant environment.
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    Yes of course!
    Can we see?

    That's what I assumed you meant when you said you do randori.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokeroo View Post
    Well put. I can't disagree that with rules in place the realism of the street disappears, but without that level of aliveness things like timing and sensitivity fail to develop. I think the question is, do you guys incorporate at all training say with a limited rule set barring x rated attacks, and hard resistance alongside the drills with acting etc?
    of course, go look at our youtube site much more coming..
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    Cool I'll check it out. When I spoke of being at a "10" I was making an inference about your system with levels not being levels of skill so much as the way the opponent asserts his or her will to throw and not be thrown, not how good the opponents are at doing or countering said techniques. I'll check out more of your channel tonight. I should go now. I have a test to study for. Yes a test on Friday evening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindz View Post
    Can we see?

    That's what I assumed you meant when you said you do randori.
    Sure we will have many more videos coming of this but here are a few..

    (Some where in the thread already btw...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokeroo View Post
    Cool I'll check it out. When I spoke of being at a "10" I was making an inference about your system with levels not being levels of skill so much as the way the opponent asserts his or her will to throw and not be thrown, not how good the opponents are at doing or countering said techniques. I'll check out more of your channel tonight. I should go now. I have a test to study for. Yes a test on Friday evening.
    Good luck bro!
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    Ok.. Well off to shower and then off to the Dojo. Three hours of training starting at 6 pm! Have a good friday people!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRWAA View Post
    Sure we will have many more videos coming of this but here are a few..

    (Some where in the thread already btw...)

    I think its good that you're posting video, but that disclaimer that "they're sloppy because they've been training so hard" has been done enough times that its become a bit of a pet peeve of mine.
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