tallahassee advice: shotokan, moy yat wing chun, animal KF

**Cullion** · Posted On: 6/13/2011 5:03pm

Go and watch or take a trial class at the Ba Gua & Xing Yi place and see if you like it.

Those arts have forms & chinese weapons to play with too.

**hitandrun** · Posted On: 6/13/2011 5:05pm

Originally Posted by burningflames

i dont know about animal kung fu

it harnesses a kind of chi that is very primal, but so does boxing or football.

kung fu people say that the different animals unlock or help you focus aspects of the animals energy.

Yeah, it's pretty deadly.

**burningflames** · Posted On: 6/13/2011 5:07pm

so i should forget about mastering the shotokan forms?

**burningflames** · Posted On: 6/13/2011 5:07pm

Originally Posted by hitandrun

Yeah, it's pretty deadly.

well they said it was the alchemy of changing the self from within

that is fair enough, i think

**TheMightyMcClaw** · Posted On: 6/13/2011 5:08pm

Originally Posted by burningflames

Im in school for anthropology.

I view shotokan as teaching one how to focus power (kime) from the core (tan dien). it stresses hip rotation, hip knee and ankle flexibility and body alignement. I view kata as teaching these principles as well as doing esoteric stuff like building chi. i just view chi as extreme focus and awareness, concentration of the right kind of energy efficiently. all professional athletes have good chi... probably

i view moy yat wing cchun as the kind of kung fu that moy yat got from yip man. it stresses bone alignment and sensitivity above all else. then comes focus and power generation

i dont know about animal kung fu

it harnesses a kind of chi that is very primal, but so does boxing or football.

kung fu people say that the different animals unlock or help you focus aspects of the animals energy. this isnt something that western atheletes dont do, they do do it. kung fu just realizes this and has a system of cultivating that power

then there is some more cool esoteric stuff about the elements and the meridians, pressure points, etc

i would love to learn that

First off, I'm a black belt in Shotokan, I've been training it since 2003. I've also done kung fu with about half a dozen people, including some guys in China who had been training since before the cultural revolution. So, I'd like to think I have some bits of wisdom on the subject.
It's really not that great. Certainly better than some other martial arts, but you can do better. All kata is really going to do for you is teach you to punch with your chin up, left hand down, and heels on the floor; that is, the opposite of how you want to punch when actually fighting. Building chi/internal energy is a bunch of hooey, but it's such poorly defined hooey that those who want to can just rationalize it as something else.
When I was a brown belt in Shotokan, I was getting wiped across the floor by muay thai guys who had been training all of six months and were ten pounds lighter than me. At the same time, I was wiping the floors with kung fu guys.
Chinese martial arts are wildly diverse in quality and methods, but in general, tend to be a crock of bullshit. Not always, as our community's own fearsome CMA practicioners will attest, but the lack of quality control and standards plus the gravitation towards esoterica in CMA makes it a very bullshit-heavy community. Still go and check the schools out and such, but be wary.
Shotokan definitely has some of the prettiest kata out there, but if you're only interested in aesthetic movement, drop the karate and take up breakdancing.

**burningflames** · Posted On: 6/13/2011 5:13pm

Originally Posted by TheMightyMcClaw

First off, I'm a black belt in Shotokan, I've been training it since 2003. I've also done kung fu with about half a dozen people, including some guys in China who had been training since before the cultural revolution. So, I'd like to think I have some bits of wisdom on the subject.
It's really not that great. Certainly better than some other martial arts, but you can do better. All kata is really going to do for you is teach you to punch with your chin up, left hand down, and heels on the floor; that is, the opposite of how you want to punch when actually fighting. Building chi/internal energy is a bunch of hooey, but it's such poorly defined hooey that those who want to can just rationalize it as something else.
When I was a brown belt in Shotokan, I was getting wiped across the floor by muay thai guys who had been training all of six months and were ten pounds lighter than me. At the same time, I was wiping the floors with kung fu guys.
Chinese martial arts are wildly diverse in quality and methods, but in general, tend to be a crock of bullshit. Not always, as our community's own fearsome CMA practicioners will attest, but the lack of quality control and standards plus the gravitation towards esoterica in CMA makes it a very bullshit-heavy community. Still go and check the schools out and such, but be wary.
Shotokan definitely has some of the prettiest kata out there, but if you're only interested in aesthetic movement, drop the karate and take up breakdancing.

damn.

you are right the kata are beautiful, and kanazawa appears to generate great power

well there is an mma school here in town, maybe they will have muay thai. one of those mma cats is already banging a hot 19 year old slut.

i dont get many women. ive nver had sex with anyone under 24. im kindo f angry at mma people, and if i joined them, i wouldnt get the women anyway

**TheMightyMcClaw** · Posted On: 6/13/2011 5:16pm

Originally Posted by burningflames

damn.

you are right the kata are beautiful, and kanazawa appears to generate great power

well there is an mma school here in town, maybe they will have muay thai. one of those mma cats is already banging a hot 19 year old slut.

i dont get many women. ive nver had sex with anyone under 24. im kindo f angry at mma people, and if i joined them, i wouldnt get the women anyway

Quit trolling. If you want to have sex so badly, hire a prostitute. Martial arts is about war, not love.

**hitandrun** · Posted On: 6/13/2011 5:22pm

Originally Posted by burningflames

well there is an mma school here in town, maybe they will have muay thai. one of those mma cats is already banging a hot 19 year old slut.

i dont get many women. ive nver had sex with anyone under 24. im kindo f angry at mma people, and if i joined them, i wouldnt get the women anyway

You don't need none of that, just find your animal within and the ladies will replies to the mate calls.

Originally Posted by burningflames

well they said it was the alchemy of changing the self from within

Yes, I've seen it.

**burningflames** · Posted On: 6/13/2011 5:31pm

Im disgruntled. There is another cat at the boxing place. I just know he gets more women than a black frat member at an hbcu. i cant join them with my track record. im just the loser trying to act like the winner then