So much for my "advantage"

**CheeksWWAC** · Posted On: 6/08/2011 11:04pm

Ive been training BJJ for a year and a half and not once have we done live throws. Weve done a some compliant drilling, but Since Ive been going Ive never started rolling from standing. So I told my proffessor that I wanted to compete at Nationals this year and today when I stepped on the mat, surprise surprise, after showing only one technique Proffessor said pair up and work throws for the rest of the class switching partners every five minutes, AND NO PULLING GUARD.

Heres the kicker, Ive been secretly training Judo for 4 months, which makes me still terrible of course, but going against a lot of people who dont do Randori twice a week like I do I figure its going to be easy day. So about four double leg take downs, two fire man carries, and one really surprising Ippon Seoi Nage later, I realised that I pretty much blow at stand up. Now I did get two sacrifice throws, an Uchi Gari's and one half assed seoi nage myself, but it was hardly the blowout that I was expecting.

I wanna hear some stories of confidence (arrogance?) in training that quickly got Seoi Nage'd back to reality either on the mat or in TEH STREETs.

**HereBeADragon** · Posted On: 6/08/2011 11:56pm

No really good stories but I'll tell you this. The only way you get better is to 1. Identify your weak points and 2. Work on them. You're half way there congrats!

**ADM** · Posted On: 6/09/2011 12:56am

We train live takedowns in our class, my Coach said "it would be wonderful for me to show you how cool it is to fight on the ground, but its useless if you can't get them there".

We mainly focus on wrestling style takedowns, I prefer a single leg ... with ALL that being said, first 2 competitions, my throws sucked, were all stopped and I felt stiff as a board when attempting them.

**Colin** · Posted On: 6/09/2011 1:02am

Originally Posted by HereBeADragon

No really good stories but I'll tell you this. The only way you get better is to 1. Identify your weak points and 2. Work on them. You're half way there congrats!

If I could delete you off of this forum, I would, and consequently, I'm 100% certain that CheeksWWAC would dump your Taekwondo ass on the ground in under a minute.

On Topic: My best tooling story is when I was first introduced to BJJ as a young Aikidoka, and I got crushed.

I stopped Aikido, started Judo, and furthermore Drop Seoi-Nage is the Judo equivalent of pulling guard, imo :)
It's like if Judo was a video game, drop Seoi nage is like an ippon button, and people spam the hell out of that button. Button mashers.

**HereBeADragon** · Posted On: 6/09/2011 1:29am

Never done Taekwondo. I've studied Limalama, I've done some Muay Thai and I'm currently doing Judo, Jiu Jitsu and boxing. So sorry we can't all be as awesome as you and your stories.

**Disastorm** · Posted On: 6/09/2011 1:42am

We don't do starting from standup all that often in my BJJ class either but when we do, I don't really notice any significant advantage even though I've been doing Judo for a year. I'm sure one of the reasons is also because Judo no longer has any leg throws in competition (thus our school doesn't practice them) so the standup in Bjj usually just ends in someone grabbing my leg and then i just fall down either with sprawl or on my back trying to get them in guard.

**Colin** · Posted On: 6/09/2011 1:53am

Originally Posted by HereBeADragon

Never done Taekwondo. I've studied Limalama, I've done some Muay Thai and I'm currently doing Judo, Jiu Jitsu and boxing. So sorry we can't all be as awesome as you and your stories.

It's got nothing to do with 'awesomeness', despite my obvious advantages in that area. :P
This is about etiquette, ************. Go and reread your comment. Don't you see how it could be considered condescending to respond to the OP with nothing more than fortune cookie wisdom?

**karma2343** · Posted On: 6/09/2011 2:20am

I remember after a few months of training, there was a backyard boxing thing (gloves and mouth guards, of course) that I got invited to by a friend. I accepted and in my arrogance accepted a fight against the best guy there, who had no training but was super athletic and used to brawling. This would be technique versus savagery, and if any martial arts movie I'd ever seen before was any indication, I would win easily.

The second the fight started, the guy just unloaded a bunch of fast, powerful punches that I was no match for. I crumbled and lost the fight without throwing a single punch. To top it all off, this guy was also the most humble and polite guy there. Definitely a good lesson to (1)not take myself so seriously, (2) not underestimate athleticism, and (3)get the hell back to training.

**HereBeADragon** · Posted On: 6/09/2011 2:38am

Originally Posted by Colin

It's got nothing to do with 'awesomeness', despite my obvious advantages in that area. :P
This is about etiquette, ************. Go and reread your comment. Don't you see how it could be considered condescending to respond to the OP with nothing more than fortune cookie wisdom?

Its about etiquette is it? Well lets see here. I offered some tongue in cheek encouragement in the YMAS forum. Yup I've overstepped my boundaries there. You on the other hand decided to take it upon yourself to flame me for my "breach of etiquette" against someone else who I am pretty sure is a big boy and can fight his own battles if he in fact took offense in the first place. Go ahead and reread your posts pal. My comment was never meant to be condescending to Cheeks, if he takes it that way he is a big boy and can take it up with me himself I am sure. So go sober up or something and figure out why your the dick in this story ok?

**HereBeADragon** · Posted On: 6/09/2011 2:59am

Thinking more about Cheeks disappointment with his performances I do see some important points to remember. Looks like the old double leg gave you more trouble than anything else. A low base and a lot of work on sprawling will help that a lot. Also sounds like you've got some good people to role and practice with. If you don't work much on throwing in your gym where are they learning their throws?

I'm doing Judo for a lot of the same reasons you are but its important to remember that the transition isn't all that easy. Its a different rule set to some degree, and Judo players and Jiu Jitsu players can vary a hell of a lot in how they work on their entries for throws. With practice you will see how to use your Judo and be a better fighter for it. For added encouragement here is a video of some Judo being used in MMA