6/18/2011 12:08am, #81
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6/18/2011 2:07am, #82
.....So no, I dont consider them part of technical or "pure" striking.
6/18/2011 10:09am, #83
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I think Mir's striking abilities are being judged purely on whether or not he used striking to finish the fight, KO or TKO. There's plenty of fights where he out struck his opponent but then finished his fight via submission. For example, Mir out struck Cheik Kongo who is an awesome striker. The reason he was able to choke him out so quickly is because he was already 3/4 unconscious from a Mir left hook. Out of his last 4 fights that hes won, his ability to out strike his opponent has played a significant role.
6/18/2011 10:56am, #84
IMO, the one's he lost, also were telling about his striking. Frank Mir since 2006/7, a summation.
Decision w/ Roy Nelson (win), KO over Mirko (3rd round), pummelled by Carwin (3:48 rd 1), Beat Kongo (guillotine 1:12 1st rd), crushed by Lesnar (1:48 rd 2), beat big Nog (1:57 rd 2 TKO), and prior to that Subbed Lesnar, and Antoni Hardonk.
Prior to that Mir was TKO'd by Brandon Vera (1:09 1st rd). Went the distance w/ Dan Christison, and was TKO'd by Marcio Cruz @ 4:10 of the 1st.
I thought his striking in the Nog fight, looked good. Gettting Kongo was also very smooth, and efficient.
Getting KTFO by Lesnar (2nd time), Carwin, Brandon Vera, and Marcio Cruz doesn't really represent what his striking's all about, is what you're saying?
Losing so badly to Lesnar, who was mauled by Cain, shows where he is in the striking game, to me. Cain & JDS & Fedor & Overeem & others >Carwin > Brock > Mir >Kongo & post-EPIC Mirko.
I still think he gets creamed, not using his grappling at all, by many of the top 20 HW's. That would imply his grappling is shoring up his striking, which I believe. He's still a top guy, but not the very top.