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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    Would you mind expaniding upon this? As its someone of your calibre of experience and knowledge that I hoped to contribte to this thread.
    I think it would be better to place it on a video instead....I will do videos or at least some pics tonight and post it on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    I agree with all of the above, however, the moving of the arm point if you watch he gets the Ude garami grip when he does so and that means you have massive control over the arm and can unleash a whole load of grip breaks if you want.
    This here is what I was talking about. Kimura seems way closer if you are going to bother bending their arm.
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    Look at what Matsumura sensei is doing at the very beginning here (and keep in mind that uke is trying to get to his belly). He's not doing the armbar, but he could very easily. This isn't a set that's very useful for BJJ, but it's gold in Judo.



    Also note that very last pin. That's a bitch to escape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    You have to move towards uke head to keep control. Most people just try to sit down in place, so uke can roll out. Also, tori has to be prepared for the escape move and transition to a pin or another submission. I think Waki Gatame is kind of a holdover from older styles of ju jutsu.

    Waki Gatame is pretty unusual in Judo as well, don't see it much at all.
    I have a rather outstanding Judo armlock video from Sensei Sid Kelly (& endorsed by George Harris) covering waki gatami and ushiro waki gatame from both standing and in groundwork.

    this is a short clip from the video
    Last edited by Jim_Jude; 6/07/2011 1:30am at .
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    Here is the side mount



    Here is the modified Kesa Gatame. I like to control the arm with my thumb up and his arm over my shoulder. I get better control because I am using my bicep instead of my shoulder to control the arm. I use this to set up the head and arm choke too.





    Here is the side mount with trapped arm where I use to set up some attacks.





    This is a paper cutter choke....crushing the throat




    This is choke using the tendon of the left leg and the collar trapped by my left arm which you can't see. The choke comes from pushing with my right knee and bringing back the left heel. I have choked out a few people using this one....it is super tight like the Mata Leao because it puts pressure on the carotid arteries.



    This is an upside down Triangle choke that I use quite often as well. There is no escape from this choke. Notice I am pulling his sleeve for the maximum effect.



    This is a basic arm bar that is taught to all beginners. I just thought I would throw that one in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Res Judicata View Post
    I've heard makura kesa gatatme for both.

    One thing that tripped me up when I started Judo were pin entries that felt like armlock entries. I can't find a video, but there's one move in particular that feels like a jujigatame entry but is acutually a kesa gatame or yoko shiho gatame entry. Basically, you jam your forearm into the crook of the elbow to control it. It feels like tori should step over the head, but instead spins around into a pin.
    What is supposed to happen is the end technique from the entry depends on how uke reacts to the initial attack.

    What usually happens is that the instructor does not know that and just knows it as either a pin or armbar entry.

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    I use waki gatame occasionally. Much like controlling someone when applying the clock choke,



    it all comes down to controlling the nearside shoulder.
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    Thanks for that Team Python.

    What methods do you find best to get from here.



    To here

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp View Post
    it all comes down to controlling the nearside shoulder.
    What do you mean with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude View Post
    I have a rather outstanding Judo armlock video from Sensei Sid Kelly (& endorsed by George Harris) covering waki gatami and ushiro waki gatame from both standing and in groundwork.

    this is a short clip from the video
    Yes, I was aware of that video, didn't know it was online.

    Thanks for posting it.
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