carry yourself like you don't do BJJ

**yli** · Posted On: 6/04/2011 6:19pm

Originally Posted by judoka_uk

50/50 is normal. What's important is how good that 50% is. I've seen a lot of **** groundwork taught in small local clubs.

Stuff like teaching techniques from the guard with your legs like this:

The classic Gyaku/Nami juji jime (Cross choke) when you're in someone's guard. A.K.A the 'Oh thank you very much I'll be having your arm now' attack.

The worst, the absolute worst thing, I have ever seen is a drill where the top guy has mount and the person underneath has to stop the mounted player from rolling onto their back and the mounted player has to try and roll onto their back...

That's right when you're being mounted you're drilling stopping the other person giving up that position and when you have mount you are practicing giving up the mount to be underneath with someone in your guard.

I went up to the brown belt (no surprise there) instructor and asked him what on earth it was for. The answer 'control from all positions'. I just starred at him open mouthed and then walked off. Never went back there again.

In my experience its uncommon for people who are genuinely good to go scalping, because they know they're good and don't need the ego boost of trying to claim a scalp. There are always exceptions though.

I'm not too good at BJJ, but shouldn't his legs be doing something other than just sort of laying there all floppy like?

**BKR** · Posted On: 6/04/2011 6:35pm

Originally Posted by judoka_uk

50/50 is normal. What's important is how good that 50% is. I've seen a lot of **** groundwork taught in small local clubs.

Stuff like teaching techniques from the guard with your legs like this:

The classic Gyaku/Nami juji jime (Cross choke) when you're in someone's guard. A.K.A the 'Oh thank you very much I'll be having your arm now' attack.

The worst, the absolute worst thing, I have ever seen is a drill where the top guy has mount and the person underneath has to stop the mounted player from rolling onto their back and the mounted player has to try and roll onto their back...

That's right when you're being mounted you're drilling stopping the other person giving up that position and when you have mount you are practicing giving up the mount to be underneath with someone in your guard.

I went up to the brown belt (no surprise there) instructor and asked him what on earth it was for. The answer 'control from all positions'. I just starred at him open mouthed and then walked off. Never went back there again.

In my experience its uncommon for people who are genuinely good to go scalping, because they know they're good and don't need the ego boost of trying to claim a scalp. There are always exceptions though.

One of the shime in the Katame No Kata has tori switch,Gyaku Ju Jime, has tori start on top and end up falling to the side due to uke knocking him over. Tori regains control and finishes the strangle.

This may be the source of that nonsense you describe.

Ben

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 6/04/2011 6:41pm

Originally Posted by BKR

One of the shime in the Katame No Kata has tori switch,Gyaku Ju Jime, has tori start on top and end up falling to the side due to uke knocking him over. Tori regains control and finishes the strangle.

This may be the source of that nonsense you describe.

Ben

Does it? I'll take your word for it, must be outside of the 1st set and therefore unbeknownst to me.

That's a sensible drill though, because you do often get bucked off and rolled when trying to finish juji jime from on top. This just involved hugging and stupidity.

**Ciderbone** · Posted On: 6/04/2011 7:10pm

When I took up Judo (as a bluebelt in BJJ) I didn't even consider wearings my BJJ belt to the Judo club... that's ridiculous... and actually I was scared shitless lol. To be fair, I've had the experience of being partnered at BJJ with a Judo-green who was apparently under the impression he was hot ****.

**Kintanon** · Posted On: 6/04/2011 7:23pm

I've visited the local judo club for their Newaza class and rolled with 3 Judo blackbelts. The two that outweighed me about about 60lbs were about even with me on the ground, except that they were WAY easier to surprise than other BJJers with stuff.
I found it very easy to pass guard against them, and generally easy to keep them from passing on me. Sweeping them was HAAARD unless I tricked them really well, but those rarely worked more than once.
The one time one of the did get past my guard he damn near broke two of my ribs just with Kesa, and kickstand armbarred me because I was busy praying that my ribcage would hold up.
So yeah, I would say that generally speaking a Judo black belt is equivelant to a BJJ Blue belt in pure newaza.

Standing though I wasn't even in the same universe as those guys....

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 6/04/2011 7:32pm

Originally Posted by Kintanon

kickstand armbarred me

What's a kickstand armbar?

**Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs** · Posted On: 6/04/2011 8:11pm

Never heard about the BJJ blue belt equals Judo black belt.

Here it is more BJJ purple belt = Judo 1st Dan, BJJ brown belt = Judo 2nd Dan and BJJ black belt = Judo 3rd Dan, based on (here's the catch) mat time, not fighting prowless.
Or with other words: the same time on the mat in hours will give you in BJJ a purple belt and in Judo a Shodan.

**CheeksWWAC** · Posted On: 6/04/2011 8:23pm

Yea, I always hear purple belt= bb in other martial arts, but like zendokan said, its not about the skill, its the amount of mat time. A lot of MA gives black belt around 5 or 6 years, which is about the same time frame as BJJ purple belt.When I started Judo a few months back, I came in my Gracie Barra gi, and took a loner belt. I told my sensei I trained BJJ because he asked me if I had ever played Judo before so I figured if I told him about my training I could skip the mandatory first class of break falls and go right to throwing people, but it didnt work.

I will say this though, Ive only been to one Judo club, and I dont want to pass judgement on Judokas, but at my BJJ gym when were told someone is a judo player were really excited because we know he's gonna use different techniques (like kesa gatame instead of bjj side control) and hell pick up our techniques fast. In my Judo club Sensei and students a like have a general distaste for BJJ players. I think Gracie Barra is a lot more welcoming to Judokas than my Judo club is to BJJ players.

**crappler** · Posted On: 6/04/2011 9:49pm

First of all, other than the fact that the guy was breaking the most basic rule of dojo etiquette by wearing his blue belt, he was exceedingly polite and received a free personal lesson from one of the Sensei's. This was the ONLY thing that made him a douche, and he was treated with the utmost respect. He wanted to roll, and was outmatched in weight and skill. The coach wanted a new student and he was looking for something ( I don't know what).

My experience with blue belts at Gracie Barra is there is a WIDE gulf in abilities. Some of them I truly feared, and some of them I was more than a match for. If I decided to do mean, illegal **** I had far more success. But I went there to work out and losing within the rule set served me better.

These guys have no problem at all with anyone. They just love Judo and are very good at it.

Anyway, my comment on the general demeanor of MA guys who convey their toughness still stands. I don't think you have the right to swagger until you reach year five or are just kicking everyone's asses.

**Evergrey** · Posted On: 6/04/2011 10:13pm

We have a new student who came from BJJ, but he has been humble, respectful, and he brought a white gi and got a white belt the first day... he was pretty happy to NOT see the big ego attitude problems here though. He's going to do great.