UK: Oxford Throwdown III

**PointyShinyBurn** · Posted On: 6/02/2011 4:46am

I might be up for it depending on which weekend. Who is the death-match with?

**Cullion** · Posted On: 6/02/2011 4:48am

I have a bet with UK Judoka that he can't pull off a clean throw in 2 minutes of san shou with boxing gloves on and no gis. If he wins I owe him a pint and a meal.

If it was a death match, I would be using a lightsabre, in accordance with Tai Chi tradition.

**The Juggernoob** · Posted On: 6/02/2011 7:55pm

Originally Posted by Cullion

I have a bet with UK Judoka that he can't pull off a clean throw in 2 minutes of san shou with boxing gloves on and no gis. If he wins I owe him a pint and a meal.

If it was a death match, I would be using a lightsabre, in accordance with Tai Chi tradition.

Boxing Gloves and No Gi is ambitious as hell. Im coming just to see this.
Also, are the rules decided by the competitors? i.e san shou rules, MMA.

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 6/02/2011 8:02pm

If I can get hold of Cullion he is going over for 10. However, with 10 ounce gloves on its not that easy to get hold of someone.

I'm still pretty confident I can do it, but Cullion has, very smartly, stacked the cards in his favour and good on him for planning ahead and doing so.

**The Juggernoob** · Posted On: 6/02/2011 8:14pm

Im actually quite excited about this. Not that this will help in anyway, but id put my money on you. The odds are very much against you, but Judo is just as much about adaptability as any other martial art. Im looking to start Judo next week at a relatively reputable club. I have an awkward frame, and im not really getting enough time to work on my throws in JJ.

**superangryfish** · Posted On: 6/03/2011 3:03am

Old Fat BJJ noob ready for action. Just need to know which weekend.

**Cullion** · Posted On: 6/03/2011 3:29am

Originally Posted by bigmike_ebw

Boxing Gloves and No Gi is ambitious as hell. Im coming just to see this.
Also, are the rules decided by the competitors? i.e san shou rules, MMA.

San Shou rules. Static clinches are broken in 3 seconds. Clinches with movement over in 5. We restart in the middle if one of us sets foot outside the area. If he puts his hand or knee on the floor during the takedown, or otherwise goes down with me, it doesn't count.

I intend on deliberately clinching with him to try and throw him. Why? Because 2 minutes of running around the mat diving in for an occasional brief punch combo to game the rules about 'showing sufficient aggression' is bullshit, that's why.

I will wrestle and play Judo with him afterwards, but I'm not betting on those.

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 6/03/2011 3:39am

Originally Posted by Cullion

San Shou rules. Static clinches are broken in 3 seconds. Clinches with movement over in 5. We restart in the middle if one of us sets foot in the area. If he puts his hand or knee on the floor during the takedown, or goes down with me, it doesn't count.

Really? That rulebook you linked me to says that you can throw and go down with them, or at least I interpreted it that way.

Article 21 - Scoring Criteria
A competitor will win one point when

21.2.3 both competitors fall down, while he or she remains on top of the opponent,

http://www.bccma.com/docs/internatio...tion_rules.pdf

**Cullion** · Posted On: 6/03/2011 3:40am

Yeah, but that's not the kind of clean takedown we originally talked about. You need a 2 point takedown.

You agreed to this.
"i.e. the takedown has to count under San Shou rules. Wild rugby tackles where we both end up on the floor don't count, for example"

You said you hadn't done a double leg since 2008 anyway. So it should be fine.

I won't hold you to your plan to specifically use O soto gari.

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 6/03/2011 3:58am

Lol its not just morote gari that sees you both go down to the mat you know

EDIT:
Although I guess if you don't have to throw flat on the back in San shou then you don't need to follow down to the mat, because you don't need the same control.