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    Help me understand why some people think refugees are unvetted

    I was pretty surprised by how the topic of refugees seems to have become so political in the United States. Many people apparently believe that refugees are unvetted or not screened before entering the United States.

    However, this is a false belief: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...tem-vet-refug/

    Factually, refugees are vetted.

    This leaves me with a few questions:

    1.) Why do many Americans believe that refugees are unvetted? Is this merely an assumption, or was this basically a political lie pushed out by politicians onto certain vulnerable elements of the constituency? Consider the nonchalance, suggesting disengagement from the issue, with which some interviewed constituents defended the refugee ban, saying that it was simply about safety.

    2.) If constituents who currently support the refugee ban learned that there is in fact a process in place, how many of them would change their mind and see the refugee ban as a political stunt rather than an action addressing a tangible and specific security concern?

    Fivethirtyeight.com recently published an article that most Americans are not in favor of a religion based immigration ban, although a plurality support the idea of banning immigrants from "terror prone" regions. There's also more support for reducing the number of refugees accepted than for a full ban: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ublic-support/

    So what can be made of this? There's a lot of very specific opinions that poll respondents seemed to gravitate to, but of course most people don't have the basis for an opinion other than their gut feeling based on new reports and commentary.

    Can this whole topic simply be seen as an extension of nativist identity politics, or is there something more at work here?
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    because in their minds they cant seperate refugees and ilegal immergrants. they think they are one and the same.

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    I guess one might figure if you pick up a boatload of people with nothing other than the clothes on their backs, they can say they are anybody they want, and nobody would know differently.
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    I think fear sells better than facts. If the Orange Emperor says America is in danger from refugees, the nativists will buy it b/c it reinforces their already held beliefs.


    If you try to prove them wrong with politifact they will just say "that is commie liberal propaganda". or "fake news"


    The current political climate in america has neutralized "facts" and a consensus reality of what "facts" mean in my opinion.

    Someone who gets their news from breitbart or culture wars isnt going to give a damn about facts unless they support their already held preconceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wounded Ronin View Post
    I was pretty surprised by how the topic of refugees seems to have become so political in the United States. Many people apparently believe that refugees are unvetted or not screened before entering the United States.

    However, this is a false belief: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...tem-vet-refug/

    Factually, refugees are vetted.

    This leaves me with a few questions:

    1.) Why do many Americans believe that refugees are unvetted? Is this merely an assumption, or was this basically a political lie pushed out by politicians onto certain vulnerable elements of the constituency? Consider the nonchalance, suggesting disengagement from the issue, with which some interviewed constituents defended the refugee ban, saying that it was simply about safety.

    2.) If constituents who currently support the refugee ban learned that there is in fact a process in place, how many of them would change their mind and see the refugee ban as a political stunt rather than an action addressing a tangible and specific security concern?

    Fivethirtyeight.com recently published an article that most Americans are not in favor of a religion based immigration ban, although a plurality support the idea of banning immigrants from "terror prone" regions. There's also more support for reducing the number of refugees accepted than for a full ban: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ublic-support/

    So what can be made of this? There's a lot of very specific opinions that poll respondents seemed to gravitate to, but of course most people don't have the basis for an opinion other than their gut feeling based on new reports and commentary.

    Can this whole topic simply be seen as an extension of nativist identity politics, or is there something more at work here?
    It's just ignorance, plain and simple. Most people are ignorant fucks to one degree or another, for multiple reasons.

    I don't recall that Trump ever claimed that refugees are "unvetted". The issue is if the vetting is sufficient, particularly from the 7 countries of most interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    It's just ignorance, plain and simple. Most people are ignorant fucks to one degree or another, for multiple reasons.

    I don't recall that Trump ever claimed that refugees are "unvetted". The issue is if the vetting is sufficient, particularly from the 7 countries of most interest.
    The issue may well be whether the vetting is sufficient. But many people will shout from the hilltops that there is no vetting at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narimasu773 View Post
    The issue may well be whether the vetting is sufficient. But many people will shout from the hilltops that there is no vetting at all.
    The issue IS sufficient vetting, end of story. What people believe or not isn't the issue.

    How in the hell do you "vet" someone from a failed state ? Not saying it's not possible in some circumstances. For example, the interpreters from Iraq who worked with the military. But Somalia, Iran, Sudan? Like the Iranians are going to help us out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    The issue IS sufficient vetting, end of story. What people believe or not isn't the issue.
    It works the opposite way. What people believes is what really matters; a sufficient vetting system is what people believes it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCS View Post
    It works the opposite way. What people believes is what really matters; a sufficient vetting system is what people believes it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    The issue IS sufficient vetting, end of story. What people believe or not isn't the issue.

    How in the hell do you "vet" someone from a failed state ? Not saying it's not possible in some circumstances. For example, the interpreters from Iraq who worked with the military. But Somalia, Iran, Sudan? Like the Iranians are going to help us out...
    what people believe or not was the OP

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