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    Quote Originally Posted by shotfghter View Post
    it is impossible to find a Fight video of Bujinkan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinbushi View Post
    As someone who has done Bujinkan for 26 years, now mostly training in Muay Thai and Judo, will go back to BJJ as well when I can. If you read the thread it was the timing that was wrong. He drew BEFORE uke cut. If Uke were to see him do that, no Kenshi would ever cut. that is the point.
    What does that mean in English?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotfghter View Post
    it is impossible to find a Fight video of Bujinkan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindz View Post
    What does that mean in English?
    It means he covered before anyone threw a punch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    It means he covered before anyone threw a punch.
    "They're focus mitts, not pattern mitts." -- My instructor

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    It means he covered before anyone threw a punch.
    That's because in the advanced levels, Bujinkan training allows the practitioner to deduce an opponent's intent via subtle clues in the eyes, etc. At this very moment, I'm expecting a punch that hasn't even been thrown yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    That's because in the advanced levels, Bujinkan training allows the practitioner to deduce an opponent's intent via subtle clues in the eyes, etc. At this very moment, I'm expecting a punch that hasn't even been thrown yet.
    It's a lot like the rapture. Some old guy makes up stuff, people gime him their money, he makes up more **** and people give him more money. Eventually, you stand there waiting for the punch to land and it doesn't. He will tell you with all authority that it's going to be a little while longer and he needs some more money. You will agree to wait a while longer and send in that money..

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinbushi View Post
    the critique was that Hatsumi Sensei's cut happened before his partner (uke) attacked. A skilled swordsman would not proceed with a cut in that situation, he would either back off and re-attack to an exposed Hatsumi Sensei.
    No you see ninjertsu makes you psychic he totally meant to draw his sword first he wasn't anticipating because he knew what would happen in advance and anyway his opponent's mind would be clouded by the power of ninjertsu and they don't fight fair he'd have already stabbed this guy in the back anyw... BLARGH WARG BLERGEGEGEGWG

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    The problem with Bujinkan sword technique extends beyond simply making up advanced techniques and bad procedure during partnered exercises. From my short involvement with the Buj, there seems to be little to no establishment of fundamentals in a number of areas, but I can only speak about the sword component.

    Having experience only in kenjutsu (four years) and the occasional karate session, I was shopping around for a new MA to begin learning late last year. Some friends talked me into joining them at a Buj group in my neighborhood. I did some research beforehand and stumbled upon this website, so I read a great deal of the BBT threads. I decided to at least give it a try, despite the bad reputation.

    The lack of sparring and some of the odd techniques irked me, but not nearly so much as the utter incompetence of ninjers attempting kenjutsu. Their stances were unbalanced, as if they were trying to lean forward and poke with the sword while shifting their weight backwards. Cuts were miserable, and I never even witnessed cuts at full speed.

    I tried to teach some of the guys I knew some fundamental stances and cuts in my backyard, but after twenty or thirty strokes, everyone gave up, citing back and wrist pain, exhaustion, etc (so I didn't even consider having them actually do any "alive" training). Standard warm-ups at my old dojo included at least eight hundred to one thousand cuts. The Buj incorporated no fundamental sword training of any kind, and my friends have not attempted to train with me since, yet still think their flashy sword tricks are sufficiently awe-inspiring.

    Likewise, I observed that no fundamental kicking or punching exercises were ever practiced, only ukemi. As a result, many students cannot throw a punch or kick properly, even many of the high-kyu students. I am told by karate and tae kwon do practitioners that punches/kicks/conditioning are typically used to warm everyone up for the night and re-enforce basic technique, which seems wholly reasonable.

    PS I apologize for the necro, but it seemed better than starting a redundant thread.

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    During my seventh or eighth practice, the head instructor stated that only about seventy-five percent of the sword blade is even sharp. I never went back after that.

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