5/16/2011 12:51am, #1
Paper, rock, scissors, weapons discussion!
This post is intended to discuss weapons and weapons systems from all martial arts styles excluding guns, bombs, tanks, and obvious stuff that kills everything (which isn't associated with a specific system or style).
Paper beats rock but scissors beats paper. Everyone knows this "natural law". But does it equate to any weapons systems in real life?
My question is are there any weapons you can think of that are best suited to overcome another specific weapon but not well suited to fight against any other given weapon? To clarify my point; what weapons can you think of that are specifically used to overcome another weapon?
One example I can think of is the jutte, which I'm not rather learned on but i've heard it discussed on multiple occasions by people who probably know less about the weapon than me that the jutte's specialty is trapping/controlling swords and possibly breaking them(?) But I would think the weapon would be more cumbersome against another weapon perhaps a spear?
My example, is horrible and involves a lot of speculation. Perhaps a better example would be a longe range weapon like a bow and arrow that will easily overcome a sword at long range but is less effective against a swordsmen with a shield who can close that range. I'd hate to turn this discussion into a dorkfest of liklihood and probability. I'm more interested in learning about obscure weapons that may have been specifically designed to combat another weapon.
I was hoping to find a specific forum on this site to keep this thread somewhat serious and possibly even informative to some. But alas this post didn't seem to apply to any one specific discipline of the listed forums, so YMAs it is.
5/16/2011 1:40am, #2
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Kusarigama--Japanese peasant weapon, the fusion of an agricultural implement and a weighted chain.
The chain's for tangling around a sword or spear, then doing the slashy, slashy with the sickle part.
Some of the African throwing knifes were designed to hit shields, and pivot over the top, hitting the shield-bearer behind them.
5/16/2011 7:44am, #3
I'm thinking dagger, sword/shield, and spear.
grappling range, the dagger wins, striking range the sword/shield wins, and long range the spear wins.. right?
Can we make rock/scissors/paper comparison without mentioning range? I think we need to specify range in order for the weapons to have context.
5/16/2011 7:53am, #4
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How about something like the tekpi or sai that was supposed to break swords and hook limbs, vrs. a long hammer type weapon?
5/16/2011 9:15am, #5
In video games rapier, broadsword & katana work like that
Rapier which is fast and hits before
Broadsword which is strong and breaks through
Katana which is stronger than, and quick enough to counter
More serious than it sounds, the varying types of swords were (as I understand) created to counter the properties of one another.
The esoteric weapons like halberds and hooked spears had their weaknesses which is why many (most?) users carried supplemental weapons. Halberdiers were good at fighting mounted swordsmen, but they switched to closer ranged weapons for infantry - typically a short sword.
And to Colin's point, range is vital. Crossbow vs Tomahawk vs Garotte just doesn't work.
Last edited by tao.jonez; 5/16/2011 9:23am at . Reason: To be more serious/on point."Never trust a quote you read on the internet" - Abraham Lincoln
5/16/2011 11:40am, #6
Sounds like someones been watching deadliest warrior lol.
5/16/2011 7:06pm, #7
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If you look at medieval & renaissance warfare, you see that cavalry beat infantry swordsmen & pikes beat cavalry but weren’t mobile enough to be effective against the sword-wielding infantrymen.
5/16/2011 8:33pm, #8
COngrats bullshidoka! I'm surprised this post has stayed on topic this long without turning into a lol-fest.
5/16/2011 9:27pm, #9
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