Thread: "Martial arts are for everyone."
5/11/2011 10:33am, #11
Of course I understand that people pursue martial arts because they "want to". But that's not really what I'm talking about.
5/11/2011 10:39am, #12
OK so your contention is that martial arts is for fighting? Why would you train in anything if you are not using it for fighting?
Name me one style of hand to hand combat that has been used by a military to win a battle?Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
5/11/2011 10:56am, #13
But modern military forces do use martial arts as a tool to teach a warrior mindset to their soldiers. They do so by teaching them the fighting applications of whatever style they are learning.
5/11/2011 10:59am, #14
5/11/2011 11:00am, #15
5/11/2011 11:01am, #16
Your point depends on a historical oversimplification, philosophical shenanigans, a rather obvious practical difficulty—any cultural practice needs the support and interest of people who aren't very good at it to survive at a level needed to generate an elite—and it's rather a little rude as well. It's sort of like the college hotshot sneering at the people who have cheap tennis rackets and like whacking the ball around the public park, because playing that way will never make them the next Pete Sampras. Except that our college hotshot won't ever be Sampras either.
And at the risk of being a little rude myself, I get it. Lots of younger cats pursue martial arts and achieve some local or amateur success because they see it as either a rite of passage into adulthood or a way of legitimizing their claims of masculinity. The best of those do go on to even have real careers! Which are you again? When's your UFC debut, Mr. Mentality?
Ooh, loving the pain, eh? Life is pain, buttercup: all sorts of people go through twenty-plus hours of labor, or deal with debilitating accidents, injuries, and diseases, bury their own children and loved ones, linger on the edge of starvation all their lives, sweat through decades of harsh jobs (would you rather be a cop in the US or a farm hand in the Ivory Coast?) for nothing but another kick in the face every day. There ain't nothing to love about pain, except most of us here—just by virtue of being able to spend time on the Internet jawing about this bullshit—are privileged enough that we can turn pain into an entertainment. That has nothing to do with what martial arts are really all about.
Oh, and cheerleaders are more prone to injury and pain than virtually any sportsman in the martial arts. Throw down your little gloves and pick up a pair of pom-poms, then we'll talk about who loves the pain, dearie.
5/11/2011 11:06am, #17
Is there a particular reason why you've called me buttercup and dearie? Did I offend you? If I did, I'm sorry, I'm just trying to explore a particular mindset with other people.
5/11/2011 11:11am, #18
5/11/2011 11:13am, #19
5/11/2011 11:18am, #20
You stated it yourself martial arts are a tool used to teach a mindset. That's it. You already knew this but your perspective as Rivington is so bluntly pointing out to you is keeping you from realizing this.
Essentially what you are saying is that since some people are inferior to others they should not strive to achieve things that they are incapable of doing. In other words "Know your place, boy."
Every instructor on here has a story about the person who came in to the dojo tripping over their own two feet but after only 10 years of training became one of the most technically proficient students that they ever trained.
So who wasted 10 years?Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.