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Very good review, Condy.
I share your observations.
Basically, the movie sports astounding visuals, the best since the Star Trek revamp, and the cast blows you from your toes.
Sadly, like with all the new Marvel movies ever since - I think - Iron Man, considerable part of the story is wasted for the inter-movie metaplot, instead of being effectively used to develop the characters.
Granted, "Thor" minimizes those metaplot elements, but it still weakens the story; Brannagh managed to save the comic-booki-ish aesthetics, as well as the weak main character, but he can't save Marvel from itself. Destroyer, yawn. Yet another appeareance of the Shield guy, yawn. Every villain not dead, but stored away, yawn.
I fear for Captain America, guys. Because that movie, if it hits, will be the defining superhero movie of the decade. But since nowadays, every bigger movie either is prequel or sequel to something... Yawn. -
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Fanboy joined universe not a metaplot in the way you are implying. They said from jump these movies, minus the hulk, were made to introduce the Avengers.
Disagree.Granted, "Thor" minimizes those metaplot elements, but it still weakens the story; Brannagh managed to save the comic-booki-ish aesthetics, as well as the weak main character, but he can't save Marvel from itself. Destroyer, yawn. Yet another appeareance of the Shield guy, yawn. Every villain not dead, but stored away, yawn.
Nah. Don't mix Iconic with defining. Superman is an Iconic character and he hasn't had a defining movie in nearly 30 years. Captain America is Iconic and they never got one of his movies correct. I am actually hoping for an adequate movie.I fear for Captain America, guys. Because that movie, if it hits, will be the defining superhero movie of the decade. But since nowadays, every bigger movie either is prequel or sequel to something... Yawn.The hood mentality is crippling disease, that attacks your nervous system. It makes you nervous of the system. Gangsters and hood rats are especially susceptible to this growth stunting mentality. The hood is where I'm from, but it's not what I am. The hood is where I'm from, but it's not what I am. --Keith David--Ice Cube
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Cap was not a founding Avenger.
You no like Death Too Soon?Nah. Don't mix Iconic with defining. Superman is an Iconic character and he hasn't had a defining movie in nearly 30 years. Captain America is Iconic and they never got one of his movies correct. I am actually hoping for an adequate movie.
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I recall that, but I'm growing a bit weary of it.
Like, Sam Raimi's Spiderman movies, or even Nolan's Batman movies (which I didn't particularly like) gain a lot of their strength from being closed systems. I would wish they would do so with the recent Marvel movies as well.
Not sure how you mean that - I am thinking more in terms that the superhero genre would be much more entertaining if there were a few more experiments with the stories. Like, as the CA movie seems to attempt, period pieces.
"With great power comes great responsibility" has been kind of overdone lately, as far as I'm concerned. What I would like to see are more unconventional attempts - The Shadow with Alec Baldwin, or that superbad Phantom movie, they were at least unconventional, compared to the kind of assembly line productions we have been seeing over the last few years.
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They were and they decided to do something different from DC. X-men(3), Blade(3), Daredevil (1), Elektra (1), Punisher (3), Original Hulk, and the 70's movies all were closed. I'm glad they are trying something new. You don't have to like it, but knowing that right now none of the DC universe is slated to cross sucks.
Experiment? Cap is a WWII character they are doing source material. I don't call that an experiment if it is the history of the Character. The Dark Knight was defining and it was set in Modern Times. They experimented with making Batman basically a supporting actor in his own movie. IMO that was a gamble and an experiment that worked.Not sure how you mean that - I am thinking more in terms that the superhero genre would be much more entertaining if there were a few more experiments with the stories. Like, as the CA movie seems to attempt, period pieces.
That's the basis of Marvel."With great power comes great responsibility" has been kind of overdone lately, as far as I'm concerned.
We will disagree as those weren't unconventional as that is their source material. You may have been surprised because, maybe you don't know the genre. I'd argue those were a product of their times. They followed the Raiders of the Lost Arc and Romancing the Stone framework IMO.What I would like to see are more unconventional attempts - The Shadow with Alec Baldwin, or that superbad Phantom movie, they were at least unconventional, compared to the kind of assembly line productions we have been seeing over the last few years.
You follow the source material and cater to your market. Alienate you fan base and it is hard to get funding. That's why all comic book movies have "easter eggs" hidden regardless of company."Assembly line" not meaning that they were necessarily bad - just a bit unoriginal.Last edited by It is Fake; 5/07/2011 10:30am at .
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I disagree with Daredevil/Elektra.
I think they fully intended on introducing Elektra in Daredevil, only to spin-off.
Now Ghost Rider......
I would agree with 'Fake.We will disagree as those weren't unconventional as that is their source material. You may have been surprised because, maybe you don't know the genre. I'd argue those were a product of their times. They followed the Raiders of the Lost Arc and Romancing the Stone framework IMO.
You follow the source material and cater to your market. Alienate you fan base and it is hard to get funding. That's why all comic book movies have "easter eggs" hidden regardless of company.
Even taking something like Road To Perdition, History of Violence, Tank Girl, Mysterymen, G-Men from Hell, Timecop...films that were unconventional, they still conformed to the conventions of their original concept.
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Unbreakble was, for me, one of the more original and unconventional stories. It took typical superhero convention and turned it on its ear.
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