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    we know that BJJ stands for "basically just judo." It's cool. We're all cool with that.

    Well thats just not right is it.Brazillian Juijuitsu comes from Juijuitsu the same as Judo did a few decades ago

    Third, the kenjutsu "terms" that are on the website are not real kenjutsu terms. If he's koryu, he'll have a menkyo kaiden, in which case, he'll have no problem showing it because menkyo have earned the right to show it.

    I and he never said he was koryu(and yes I do no what that means).As far as I know he does not have a menkyo kaiden as he is not a koryu.
    I learnt Seitei Gata Iaido to shodan then left due to politics in the NZKF.They are not a koryu so does that mean that the IKF sanctioned Seitei Gata is crap(it is compared to koryu schools but it is made up from what the IKF considers the most important koryu styles).They have even added 3 more kata since I stopped.



    Still, nonsense Japanese words like "te-jutsu" give me pause. Taken literally it means "fist technique," but that's not the word that koryu martial arts use for striking techniques, which is usually atemi or atemi waza. It's most likely a portmanteau of the third syllable of karate-do and the suffix -jutsu, which is the general Japanese word for "technique," as in "iaijutsu" (drawing technique) or "kenjutsu" (sword technique).[/QUOTE]


    "koryu" is a Japanese term that means basically old or traditional school(which your stated style is one of-consider yourself lucky to be learning it in our part of the world)
    No Karate is a "koryu" as karate did not originate in Japan.It was introduced in 1920 by Gichin Funagoshi in a demonstration to the emperor with the support of the top Judoka of the time-Kano.Incidentlly this was Shotokan Karate and was the start of "Japanese Karate".
    Before that it came from Okinawa and was a mixture of the local unarmed fighting skills heavilly influenced by Chinese wushu/Gung Fu,which was universally called Okinawin Te,Okinawin Ta,or just Te for short.
    Our style is a little more like this but we use Japanese/english for the curriculum.

    The "jutsu" is Japanese and means "art" or "technique" as you stated so "te-jutsu" means "technique" or "art" of the hand.

    "Kara" in Japanese(one of the meanings anyway) means empty and "te" means hand so you get Karate-that most people are used to today.The "do" means way so the whole lot means way of the empty hand.
    Even in Japan today there are some styles that are Karate-jutsu or art of the empty hand.
    Most Japanese cannot even describe the subtle differences between "do"and "jutsu" so I won't even try to here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Vlad View Post
    Actually, te jutsu means "hand technique" - just making the distinction between 'ken' which means fist (different kanji to the ken used for sword). It does indeed look like a made up word.

    So very correct there on the meaning of Te-jutsu

    Food for thought Karate must be another one of those nonsense Japanese words(as stated by Lane) because it means nothing more than Kara=empty te=hand.

    Karate is not even a koryu as it was introduced to Japan by Gichin Funagoshi in 1920

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    Te jutsu is not an art.

    Kenjutsu is an art. Jujutsu is an art. Iaijutsu is an art.

    Te jutsu is made up.
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    What style of Kenjutsu do you study?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadekayak View Post
    Well thats just not right is it.Brazillian Juijuitsu comes from Juijuitsu the same as Judo did a few decades ago
    No, BJJ is a derived from Judo, not any koryu jujutsu school. The man who taught the Gracies was a Kodokan judoka, plain and simple. They are now separate arts, of course. There is no direct lineage from any koryu to BJJ, any would go through Kodokan Judo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadekayak View Post
    So very correct there on the meaning of Te-jutsu

    Food for thought Karate must be another one of those nonsense Japanese words(as stated by Lane) because it means nothing more than Kara=empty te=hand.

    Karate is not even a koryu as it was introduced to Japan by Gichin Funagoshi in 1920
    True but if you were to name an entire fighting system would you go with Empty Hand or Hand Technique? It's not that the two kanji don't make sense when beside each other, it's more that they sound weird in Japanese (this gets kind of lost in translation though).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadekayak View Post
    Even in Japan today there are some styles that are Karate-jutsu or art of the empty hand.
    Most Japanese cannot even describe the subtle differences between "do"and "jutsu" so I won't even try to here.

    Feel free to list them then. Most japanese don't care, even japanese instructors don't care that much, in japanese, its just words, it's only westerners that try and attribute some deep meaning to the names, do and jutsu have been used interchangeably for the same arts at times IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoj View Post
    Feel free to list them then. Most japanese don't care, even japanese instructors don't care that much, in japanese, its just words, it's only westerners that try and attribute some deep meaning to the names, do and jutsu have been used interchangeably for the same arts at times IIRC.
    To true on the common interchangability of the words and most westerners do harp on about the difference.There is a difference in application of the same technique and the focus but that is abut all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadekayak View Post
    To true on the common interchangability of the words and most westerners do harp on about the difference.There is a difference in application of the same technique and the focus but that is abut all.
    Could you kindly tell me what style of Kenjutsu you study?

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    Prince Vlad-you make it sound like te-jutsu is made up by westerners(maybe even my teacher).
    It is "made up" by Japanese/Okinawins and has been around as long as the Okinawins named this art,along with Shuri-te and Naha-te,both regions in Okinawa that the arts were named after and incidently the two major root styles of "Okinawin Karate"

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