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  1. Hexe is offline

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     Style: SL5,MT, BJJ noob,Chow Gar

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    Advice please: Te Jutsu, Ken Jutsu, Kobudo, etc - etc

    Hi all,

    I know sweet FA about Japanese martial arts and after some searching here at Bullshido and Google Fu, I don't seem to have much to go on when assessing the following NZ school/Teacher.

    Theres a link below that rings a few alarm bells, and I have a mate who is all about waving sharp things around and going to weekend camps. Before he hands over his cash - and stops getting my ear about this...

    First , has anyone trained with this mob - feedback?
    Second, does anyone know of Ray Potrer and if he's legit. There seems to be a lot "Dans" getting thrown around.

    http://www.nzsamurai.co.nz/index.php...d=12&Itemid=27

    If I've been a search 'tard my apologies. Direction from those more knowledgeable contributors in the Japanese space would be appreciated.

    Cheers
  2. NeilG is online now
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    Posted On:
    5/03/2011 9:47am


     Style: Kendo

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    I need no research at all - one look at that web page is all I need to recommend you stay away from these guys.
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    Posted On:
    5/03/2011 9:56am


     Style: Judo & BJJ

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    Lots of red flags.

    Certified as Grandmaster – Asian Grand Masters Society



    Registered as Soke – International Soke Council and World Organisation of Martial Arts

    Inducted into the International Martial Arts Times magazine Black Belt Hall of Fame 2009 Instructor of the Year

    10th Dan Te-Jutsu
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    None of this says anything good. Play to play organizations and no real art names. The art names don't meaning anything -- they're just generic. "Karate" could mean anything. And the few pictures I see don't look good at all.
  4. NeilG is online now
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    Posted On:
    5/03/2011 10:13am


     Style: Kendo

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    Soke council == bullshido at its worst. Steer far clear of this bozo.

    If you are interested in JSA, here is the NZ Kendo Federation website and in particular here is the contact page for iaido under that federation.
  5. Hexe is offline

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    Posted On:
    5/03/2011 4:38pm


     Style: SL5,MT, BJJ noob,Chow Gar

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    Many thanks - yes he looked sketchy as hell, just wanted to get the beta from those more knowledgeable on Japanese arts before I cried bullshit.

    @NeilG, cheers for the link.
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    Posted On:
    5/04/2011 9:08am


     Style: Karate, Boxing, BJJ noob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexe View Post
    Many thanks - yes he looked sketchy as hell, just wanted to get the beta from those more knowledgeable on Japanese arts before I cried bullshit.
    Yeah, don't even bother with him. It looks and smells like bullshido.
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    5/04/2011 10:53am


     Style: Kyokushin, Boxing, Judo

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    Be nice if there was a kobudo organization like there that's like the Dog Brothers.

    I'd love to learn me some full contact sparring with the tonfa.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke View Post
    Be nice if there was a kobudo organization like there that's like the Dog Brothers.

    I'd love to learn me some full contact sparring with the tonfa.
    I made a video of this match from last weekend:


    In the early days of the Dog Brothers, there were Kobudo folks with tonfas and nunchaku and whatnot. They didn't do so well. Aside from the training (usually kata only), the footwork doesn't seem well suited for weapon fighting.
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    Posted On:
    5/04/2011 8:08pm


     Style: SL5,MT, BJJ noob,Chow Gar

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    I dig the Hawaiin shirts - Boo-Yaa Tribe meets Kendo.

    I'm wondering if these guys warrant a bit of a prod - MABS investigation - ask some questions? Kiwis are usually a fairly pragmatic and down to earth bunch, this just seems offensive. I'll have a go and cut my teeth on this if others more experienced BS persons think its worthwile. I've found some other dubious operators with links to him - weird associations of other try-hards that seem to gravitate to one another.

    Wasting my time? Or do NZ MA's need a looking at?
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    Posted On:
    5/16/2011 8:00pm


     Style: Muso Shinden Ryu

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    lai-jutsu:
    Drawing and cutting in one motion

    Giri-Jutsu:
    Cutting Strikes

    Kaeshi Waza:
    Blocking and counter striking techniques

    Tanto-Jutsu:
    Close quarter knife techniques

    Battoho:
    Combative drawing methods

    Tachiuchi:
    Pre arranged partner training

    Tanrengata:
    Solo training exercises
    Iaijutsu is the only one of those terms translated properly; everything else is... badly done. Stay far away.

    http://www.melbournekoryu.com.au/tatsumi.html

    Go there instead.
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