Oh, lordy! Dim Mak

**Permalost** · Posted On: 5/04/2011 4:41pm

Originally Posted by Sri Hanuman

I have the 36 deadliest points version of that.
Basically he presents accupuncture points, straight out of your typical accupuncture book.
Then he claims that poking them hard has the opposite effect of their accupuncture treatment.

That's actually a pretty good summation of it.

Originally Posted by stray_bullet

I'm really sorry to hear about Erle's passing, a guilty pleasure of mine is martial arts eccentrics, they really are each one of a kind and despite the nonsense I think they make my life a little bit more enjoyable (especially considering how much time I've spent on Bullshido.

I agree.

**JudoA** · Posted On: 5/04/2011 6:15pm

Originally Posted by Sri Hanuman

I have the 36 deadliest points version of that.
Basically he presents accupuncture points, straight out of your typical accupuncture book.
Then he claims that poking them hard has the opposite effect of their accupuncture treatment.

Isn't accupuncture just poking them? How was his poking of these points any different other than no needle?

**Yoj** · Posted On: 5/04/2011 6:27pm

Originally Posted by JudoA

Come to think of it it seems like they have the clothes the wrong way around - surely the guy doing the killing should have the mystical yin-yang symbol with the kung-fu silhouette on the front, and the guy he should be killing should be the one dressed as a homeless guy.

The yin-yang is on the destructive cycle, he's brought it on himself.

**Yoj** · Posted On: 5/04/2011 6:28pm

Originally Posted by Sri Hanuman

I guess his dim mak finally worked.

I emitted lollage...

oops

**senseipookie** · Posted On: 5/04/2011 7:52pm

Originally Posted by HereBeADragon

As to Dim Mak I've got a bit of cognitive dissonance on that subject. On the one hand 99% of what I've seen is like this jackoff on the Paladin Press DVDs or the no touch knockout Dillman type BS. On the other hand my own teacher has put me down more than once with his Dim Mak. I remember the first time I asked about it he popped me with his finger tips on a spot on the back of my neck and I dropped like a marionette who's strings had been cut.

But that's really more atemi waza than Dim Mak.

Atemi waza is just striking at weak points of the body that can incapacitate long enough to apply a lock or deliver a good solid strike (or just hurt like hell). That stuff works - I have similar experiences of my legs deciding to stop working and crumple for no apparent good reason after a well focused moderate strike or pressure.

Dim Mak implies meridian disruption, organ failure, delayed death, etc. Kind of similar, but Dim Mak has that eerie mystical aura around it that just draws psychos and con men (not to mention the lemmings that will pay any price to learn the magic)

**Sri Hanuman** · Posted On: 5/04/2011 7:55pm

Originally Posted by JudoA

Isn't accupuncture just poking them? How was his poking of these points any different other than no needle?

Apparently accupressure kills.

**donoraen** · Posted On: 5/04/2011 8:19pm

Originally Posted by Sri Hanuman

Apparently acupressure kills.

Maybe the "secret" to getting all this to work is to actually use acupuncture needles when you strike.

**Permalost** · Posted On: 5/04/2011 11:41pm

Originally Posted by donoraen

Maybe the "secret" to getting all this to work is to actually use acupuncture needles when you strike.

Jet Li's style in Kiss of the Dragon was like that.

**Rickko** · Posted On: 5/05/2011 12:36am

Sorry mate,did I choke your watch out?
Katsu on the timex !

**HereBeADragon** · Posted On: 5/05/2011 9:49am

Originally Posted by senseipookie

But that's really more atemi waza than Dim Mak.

Atemi waza is just striking at weak points of the body that can incapacitate long enough to apply a lock or deliver a good solid strike (or just hurt like hell). That stuff works - I have similar experiences of my legs deciding to stop working and crumple for no apparent good reason after a well focused moderate strike or pressure.

Dim Mak implies meridian disruption, organ failure, delayed death, etc. Kind of similar, but Dim Mak has that eerie mystical aura around it that just draws psychos and con men (not to mention the lemmings that will pay any price to learn the magic)

As with most myths there is often a base of truth. This type of "vital point" striking is probably the source of the myths involved with Dim Mak. Striking different nerves in the body can have real and damaging effects but I doubt they are as extreme as the infamous delayed death touch or anything.