4/30/2011 4:58am, #11
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4/30/2011 6:19am, #12
I'd be interested in seeing how sparring works in Tai chi, baji, Xingyi, some others. I know a few of our people here do CMA, I'd like to see how they address live training. What works and what gets thrown out the window. Particularly I'd like to see what separates them from 'kickboxing' (an umbrella term, I know), also I'd like to know if anyone actually uses tiger stance and all that.
No WC though. I fucking hate WC.Originally Posted by Judoka_UK
4/30/2011 11:05am, #13
Also, this monk needs to be sourced for people to take you seriously. Wu Toy San Ling Qung not only sounds made up, but has many myths rolled up into one story. Oh and original post means in the current thread not in another thread.
4/30/2011 1:34pm, #14
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4/30/2011 11:12pm, #15
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The book 'Kung Fu, History, Philosophy and Technique' (a book written by people who had contributed to the tv series 'Kung Fu'), 1977, states in one chapter, a list of so-called martial arts techniques that were originally written by an ancient monk, Wu Toy San Ling Qung. These 'techniques' range from killing people by pointing at them, to leaping out of seven-foot deep holes whilst wearing over ten pounds of weights, to sucking your testicles out of your scrotum and into your body at will. I can provide quotations as descriptions of these 'techniques' if anyone has an interest in spending several years concentrating chi into their balls (I'm sure there are some of you...)
When I made first made this thread, I did a search on Google to see whether the content I was planning to post on some of these ridiculous ancient Kung techniques was from any source other than the book that I found the information in: 'Kung Fu, History, Philosophy and Technique' By David Chow and Richard Spangler, 1977, ISBN 0865680116'. After it came up with links to several sites where people were discussing about actually learning this stuff, I stupidly assumed that they would have heard of these techniques from a different source to my own, as it is difficult to find too much information about this book on the internet and it was published so long ago (if you search for it, it will come up on Amazon and other book sites though, but without much of a description). I then went on to make this thread, hoping to see whether anyone might be interested in learning about how some of these 'powers' came to be considered attainable martial techniques by some as a result of certain ancient monk, Wu Toy San Ling Qung's writings.
It is Fake pointed out to me, quite correctly, that this monk would need to be sourced and as I attempted to find out more about this monk than what was written in 'Kung Fu, H,P,AT', I stumbled across my own Bullshido posts as 1 and 2 on Google for searching Wu Toy San Ling Qung, with no other information that I could find on this monk (if he indeed existed). After then searching as I had originally done for the Kung techniques present in 'Kung Fu, H, P, AT', I then found that this very same book was mentioned as a source for where many of these people learned of these techniques and decided that they wanted to master them. One particular person mentioned wanting to master Hing Kung (walking so lightly that even grass blades don't move, a technique that apparently takes ten years to learn = BS) on http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...p/t-19235.html and referred to this book. Another person wishing to learn the Red Sand Palm (killing or maiming someone by striking at the air from a distance) [http://www.wle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=233] was referred to a book called 'Shaolin Long Fist', but from searching this on Amazon, I found that this book had been published only a few years after 'Kung Fu, H, P, AT'.
According to 'Kung Fu, H, P, AT', in translating the techniques for the first time (they claim) that they have relied heavily on “an ancient shaolin text written by an obscure monk scribe, Wu Toy San Ling Qung, who revealed the dynamics of Kung Fu in the Treasured Secret Book”. I cannot find any information on this ‘Treasured Secret Book’ either. I had originally planned simply to make fun of the ridiculousness of training in some of these techniques (some of the most crazy of which some people on the internet actually seem to want to train in), but if they were simply made up by two martial artist authors in a 1977 book that was published in response to a TV show, and not an actual part of CMA history, then there is not much point. I am sure that there are ridiculous so-called training methods that ancient shaolin monks would spout about, but I failing the fact that this Wu Toy San Ling Qung does not appear to exist outside of this book, I would particularily like to hear from anyone who has sources for these techniques which predate this book. It would be interesting at least if it turns out that all of these people who wish to train in these ‘ancient’ techniques had been conned by the same book, but people have been conned by books spouting stupidness before, so this would not be anything new. It seems that in my hurry, I have been conned myself, not into believing that these techniques were real, but into believing that they may have had a genuine source.
Has anyone else read this book before, or even better, has anyone actually heard of the sourced monk in the book: Wu Toy San Ling Qung (the name sounds like BS)? I'd love to hear from anyone who has any evidence that the section on Kung in 'Kung Fu, H, P, AT' is anything other than fraudulent information quoting an ancient monk who never existed (I know that the techniques described are BS, but I would like to know if the source is too)
5/02/2011 1:11pm, #16
Every time a movie fight goes longer than thirty seconds I inevitably end up daydreaming.
5/02/2011 1:41pm, #17"Never trust a quote you read on the internet" - Abraham Lincoln
5/02/2011 4:26pm, #18
Isn't it perfectly obvious that Westerners weren't the only one who brought BS to kung fu?
5/02/2011 4:49pm, #19
You guys must hate every non-superhero action movie but The Dark Night.
5/02/2011 6:11pm, #20
The immediately obvious difference is that most of them are sparring under San Shou or San Shou like rules where throws and other takedowns are common.
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