5/02/2011 12:34pm, #21
Combining tsurikomi practice with Ippon Seoi Nage would work as well. I wasn't suggesting not doing nothing but TSG (although that would work if one had the patience). A key is to actually USE the tsurikomi action when doing Ippon Seoi Nage, something that most people neglect. In that sense, Morote Seoi Nage is better, as you don't lose the lapel and maintain more of the tsurikomi feel.
In any case, tsurikomi practice is a necessity for everyone, myself included, whatever throws one ends up focusing upon.
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5/02/2011 12:44pm, #22
If he's twisting/trying to counter with uchi mata, you can transition to tani otoshi. I do that as soon as I feel mine or his hips begin to slide out of place.
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5/02/2011 12:53pm, #23
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5/02/2011 1:17pm, #25
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As Ben said, it's also healed up enough to do judo, or so the doctors say. I mean, I wouldn't go do shiai and get rammed to oblivion just yet, but I can drill just fine, as well as do medium intensity randori. I can also do push-ups and other calisthenics where strain is placed on the shoulder if I go at a leisurely pace and keep the number of reps reasonable, so no Kimura antics for me just yet.
Very frankly, having a weak lower body keeps my morote-seoi-nage down in the drain much more than my shoulder injury does! But still, thanks for minding.
If kikool would post video, we could make a more accurate assessment.
Anyway, I'm off to vote now, thank you all for your helpful input.
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5/03/2011 10:35am, #26
5/03/2011 10:52am, #27
You often hear people say their lower body is too weak for Morote seoi nage. Now it may well be true that you could hit the squat rack and build up leg and core strength, pretty much everyone should. However, I rarely think its the cause of problems with Morote seoi nage.
Normally people complain of poor leg strength/ lower body strength, because they go this low:
Image is of Ippon seoi nage, but it serves for illustrative purposes.
People go this low and then either try and press uke by standing back up or buckle under the load.
Its actually really difficult for a normal person and especiall a beginner to go that low and still complete a throw unless uke's super light.
So don't come in with straight legs, but don't get so low you're doing a full squat, because you're going to really struggle.
I tried this about 4 months back when trying to Morote seoi on a 6ft 4 beast I went to low and ended up just toppling forward and faceplanting with him on top of me, much to everyone else's amusement.
5/03/2011 11:02am, #28
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Hand throw. Seoi nage is a hand throw. The best seoi nage guys I know are moving under and behind uke -- and they get that low or lower. Uke moves forward, tori backward. Ideally, uke barely touches the back. It's not my throw, so YMMV.
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5/03/2011 4:36pm, #29
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I get low in order to use my hands to effectively pull uke forward and over the back, and because if I don't get low enough my elbow starts to hurt.
5/03/2011 4:37pm, #30