Combatives

**wetware** · Posted On: 4/28/2011 6:31pm

Originally Posted by Epeeist

I hear RBSD guys talk about how guns are often useless because unless the weapon is already in your hand when you're attacked it's too late. This seems like bullshit but can anyone give me a good reason why?

Teep for space and draw.
Shove and draw.
Back fall and draw. (Roll if you're good at it.)
Throw/Trip retreat and draw.

That's just off the top of my head.

Obviously all these things should be trained if you plan on relying on them. If you're going to be carrying concealed you should practice drawing your weapon from a number of positions until it's second nature anyhow. A few new wrinkles isn't going to hurt you any.

**Epeeist** · Posted On: 4/28/2011 6:38pm

Originally Posted by wetware

Teep for space and draw.
Shove and draw.
Back fall and draw. (Roll if you're good at it.)
Throw/Trip retreat and draw.

That's just off the top of my head.

Obviously all these things should be trained if you plan on relying on them. If you're going to be carrying concealed you should practice drawing your weapon from a number of positions until it's second nature anyhow. A few new wrinkles isn't going to hurt you any.

Thank you that's exactly what I was looking for.

**100xobm** · Posted On: 4/29/2011 11:23pm

Originally Posted by Epeeist

See, that seems way more effective then yet another KOMBAT KEYCHAIN MARK XII. Yes, this bladed heavy key fob looks just like a normal keychain everyone else has. No one will suspect a thing. Frankly, when I get the money I'm getting me one of these:

http://www.real-self-defense.com/unb...-umbrella.html

Now these three years I've spent fencing will make me teh deadly.

That would be the best way to carve a christmas ham. Smash it with an umbrella. THat watermelon got fucking owned.

**Johnny Y.** · Posted On: 4/30/2011 10:58pm

Originally Posted by kenny_free

This is actually a misnomer, military combatives teaches you to crapple with your opponent until your buddies can get there and butt stroke him into submission.

All of it? I know I've seen modern military training that involved knife work.

Then there's the old school CQC based on Defendu. William Fairbairn, shall we say, was into using blades.

**kenny_free** · Posted On: 4/30/2011 11:28pm

Originally Posted by Johnny Y.

All of it? I know I've seen modern military training that involved knife work.

Then there's the old school CQC based on Defendu. William Fairbairn, shall we say, was into using blades.

that stuff is all super, minimal man, done soley for teaching aggression.

btw that sight you linked has red flags all over it

**Johnny Y.** · Posted On: 5/01/2011 5:49pm

Originally Posted by kenny_free

that stuff is all super, minimal man, done soley for teaching aggression.

Hmmm.

Well, at least I can get Fairbairn's books and see how they used to do it. I'd rather there be a more up-to-date work I could consult, surely a few improvements have been made in CQC in the past six decades--real martial arts not being fixed and dogmatic.

Originally Posted by kenny_free

btw that sight you linked has red flags all over it

Thanks, good to know.

Specifically what? I only got around to reading a couple long pages, and they seemed to be BS-free. Though I suppose I wouldn't really know, unless it was out-and-out laughable (Phil Elmore), since I'm a martial arts noob.

**kenny_free** · Posted On: 5/01/2011 7:41pm

Originally Posted by Johnny Y.

Hmmm.
Specifically what? I only got around to reading a couple long pages, and they seemed to be BS-free. Though I suppose I wouldn't really know, unless it was out-and-out laughable (Phil Elmore), since I'm a martial arts noob.

Mostly this paragraph...

"Since the age of 10, he has studied several styles of martial arts, including Karate, Wing Chun, Baqua/Hsing-I, Five Family Gung fu, Boxing, Western swordsmanship, Kali and various forms of Pentjak Silat. That's thirty five years of training and application. He has field-stripped and bastardized every style he studied in order to make it street effective. However, out of respect to his teachers and their styles, when it comes to martial arts, he doesn’t claim to teach anything other than the training system he and his wife Dianna have created, Dango Jiro. A body movement and tactical application system that draws from all of those arts (Don't be confused by the Japanese name, it means "Mulligan Stew"). When it comes to street survival and professional use of force he teaches No Nonsense Self-Defense. A combination of formal martial arts techniques and principles and his real life experience, supported by research into the areas of psychology, criminology, sociology and legal use of force."

In this paragraph he claims lots of martial arts experience, and no belts or rankings, and no teachers or schools. Later in the same paragraph he talks about research into a couple of pretty heavy fields, and lists no degrees or credentials. People that tend to be experts in criminology and psychology are normally doctors. Legal use of force? Tend to be lawyers. Id have to look around the site more, but this smells like fish.