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Nice work once again. I'm personally leading a revival of STA and Hiza Guruma in our area. Ashi waza in general, really.
A couple of additions.
1.) If your tsurikomi action is not good overall, then STA is going to be tough to pull off. If you have problems with tsurikomi action/elbow control then keep working on those and try STA after that.
2.) The timing is critical. I use/see it as a sort of Dynamic Delay (tm) in reverse. Uke and tori are moving in synch, but to catch uke at the right moment (his foot position as you note), you have to get a part of a step ahead of uke. This is well illustrated in the nage no kata version of STA, where the second step tori takes is truncated a bit. I call it a stutter step sometimes.
Of course, sometimes you apply Dynamic Delay(tm) in STA and Hiza Guruma as well, depending on the movement pattern and exact circumstances.Falling for Judo since 1980 -
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Cheers.
As with any throw tsurikomi is fundamental. No tsurikomi, No Judo. You're right about the tsurikomi being a big part of the sleeve side Sasae I think its slightly less vital for the lapel side, but still important to the technique overall.
Timing wise, what really helped me with the time was the 'offsetting' concept. As a heavyweight my Judo isn't dynamic so I don't often end up in the moving in circles kind of situation like the Nage no kata. However, if you're aware of the offsetting principle then even with a slower more preponderous style of Judo you'll notice that natural movement will create an 'offset' situation. So that really helped me with the debana for the throw. -
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You want to catch the foot when its in the green zone because that is when weight is committed enough for the block+ kuzushi action to effect the throw, not too much to nullify the blocking action.
Uke's feet blue U, tori's feet red T

If uke's foot gets into the red zone then tori has to lean back and lose posture in an attempt to effect the throw and this will lead to throw failure and higher chance of being countered. -
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OK I haven't read this thread properly, but there's a guy I train with who has a mutherfucker of a TSA. He does it when you're going backwards though, and uses a load of hip, basically pushing your back leg back until he makes body contact at which point he hoists you up and tips you over.
It actually doesn't look like a big throw but it's one of the hardest landings I can think of, and that's without him following me down for the pin. -
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STA is done in a straight line in Nage No Kata, FYI. Although I find the dynamic delay(tm) is more often required while circling or debana resulting from a change in directions.
The offset idea I'm having to think about some more. It looks to me like you are basically saying to start out offset in the position you would normally move to to do STA, to the tsurite grip side, in order to make up for a lack of ability to move (due to your uke or yourself).
In a normal STA, the offset is part of the overall tai sabaki, or part of the preparatory movement.
STA to the tsurite side is easier to do for me, and I'm better at it that way. There is more direct control of uke upper body due to the lack of slack/distance in the lapel vs the sleeve. So the sleeve side version requires finer timing and control.
The tsurikomi is still critical to get a clean throw on the lapel side, and is still there, it's just a bit different. But one can slop/power through it on the lapel side easier (see previous paragraph).
One of my students is really getting the hang of it. He nearly threw one of his rivals with it in a kenka yotsu situation recently, and the kinsa he got in golden score won the match. He also threw a shodan with Hiza Guruma recently for ippon from the more extreme right vs right situation you describe. We like to do it from a double lapel grip as well, especially when the battle for the sleeve gets stalemated, it is usually a big surprise.
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