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    Quote Originally Posted by nysanda View Post
    Just humor me for a minute

    1. What southern style did he do?
    2. who was his primary teacher?
    3. Who were these other teachers he learned chin na from?
    :-) I know where you're going with this, but I'll play along.

    1. I never learned a style name. Very rarely would I ever learn a technique name either.

    2. He only told me his primary teacher's name. Unfortunately that was almost 15 years ago, and I don't remember it. Certainly not a "known" name.

    For all he was willing to teach white guys, he most definitely was more interested in the Chinese and Vietnamese students (his family had fled south to avoid troubles in China, and landed in even more trouble) and was willing to share stuff with them that he wouldn't otherwise. While I was training, his favourite student went back to visit family in Vietnam, and took a side trip to meet and train with our sigung (with a letter of introduction) and learned a butterfly sword form (which I thought was pretty poor) and a staff form.

    3. As mentioned above, I only heard him mention one of his teacher's names. Even if he had, I probably wouldn't have either heard of, or remembered it. Not a lot of big names teaching in rural North Vietnam.

    Anyway, I've given you your straight-line, lay down your punch-line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Pepper View Post

    1. I never learned a style name. Very rarely would I ever learn a technique name either.

    2. He only told me his primary teacher's name. Unfortunately that was almost 15 years ago, and I don't remember it. Certainly not a "known" name.
    Well, I'm not trying to make a joke, I am trying to point out that there is no "chin na style" and that those that try to pass off such things are shady at best

    I'd suggest that what you just said does indeed seem a bit "shady" - not necessarily fraud or lies, but you don't even have a style name for what he taught? You don't see the problems with what you yourself just posted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nysanda View Post
    Well, I'm not trying to make a joke, I am trying to point out that there is no "chin na style" and that those that try to pass off such things are shady at best
    Oh, if someone told me they did "chin-na style" I'd laugh in their face. I never claimed that he said he taught such a thing, merely that chin-na technique is what he specialized in. It should be no more questionable to say that, than to say someone specializes in using the staff or sabre.

    I'd suggest that what you just said does indeed seem a bit "shady" - not necessarily fraud or lies, but you don't even have a style name for what he taught? You don't see the problems with what you yourself just posted?
    Absolutely, and that's why I was referring to it as giving you your straight-line. I never learned a style name, or lineage names. For that matter, very rarely did he give us technique names. I suspect it's a lot easier to do if one is involved in a big and well-known CMA, but how many styles have come and gone without ever leaving the neighbourhood they were born and practiced in?

    (an interesting aside on that: one of his students showed him a BK Frantzis book, which had his lineage in Chinese. My sifu read it, and looked disgusted that someone would just give out that information for anyone to see)

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    During live training, the only time I ever use wristlocks is when taking away someone's club or blade. And then it's done with a barrage of kicks and punches. You'll never catch a punch like this, and nobody will ever grab your wrist unless you are armed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Guess View Post
    Here's a video of a standing joint lock actually working. Notice how the setup is completely different from the Qin Na videos.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_718dOW09k#t=01m55s
    And here's a breakdown of the infamous Aoki Waki Gatame:

    You'll notice how his wacky gatammy is subsantially different in setup and execution from a traditional "grab his arm when he punches you" kinda armlock, and also relies heavily on the glove for grip.

    And keep in mind, this is still a technique which has been effectively used once, by one guy, who has also won two fights via gogo-fuckin'-plata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wizard View Post
    WU TANG WU TANG WU TANG!!!!!!!!!







    Wait, what are we talking about?
    Now thats some good ****.


    On the videos: wrist lock are nigh impossible to get on someone actually fighting you, at least standing wrist locks, my ground fighting knowledge is minimal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Pepper View Post

    (an interesting aside on that: one of his students showed him a BK Frantzis book, which had his lineage in Chinese. My sifu read it, and looked disgusted that someone would just give out that information for anyone to see)
    My experience would indicate quite the opposite. Lineage, teachers and positions are VERY IMPORTANT in TCMA. They were anything but "secret". I know the names of all my primary teacher's teachers. I also know where they sit in the lineage.

    I'm not trying to be a jerk, but your story sounds like the guy had some issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by nysanda View Post
    I'm not trying to be a jerk, but your story sounds like the guy had some issues
    To be clear, I don't think you're being a jerk. You're asking Bullshido-worthy questions. We subject all sorts of people to the cold light of day, so why should I be any different.

    And yes, he had major issues, which led to my eventual leaving, and him cursing my name to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Pepper View Post
    And yes, he had major issues, which led to my eventual leaving, and him cursing my name to this day.
    I smell a happy fun-time story.
    Do tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sri Hanuman View Post
    I smell a happy fun-time story.
    Do tell.
    yes let's resort to mai sifu kan beet up your sifu faggotry.

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