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  1. Neil D is offline

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    Sorry

    Erm...m sorry, all i wanted were ur comments, criticism 2 be specific..
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    Quote Originally Posted by nysanda View Post
    wow! you bought Yang jwing Ming's video tapes! you're cool (sorry , /sarcasm)
    no i dint :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nysanda View Post
    Saying you do Chin Na (Kahm Na in Cantonese) is like saying "I do punching"... it is a skill set, part of pretty much all TCMA. Misused and abused and frequently to absurd extremes. If I sit there while you stick needles in my eyes, yeah it will hurt, but who is going to sit there?
    Ditto.
    The average Qin-na manual goes like this.

    Vague text description, photo 1-guy throws punch, photo 2- qin na guy intercepts with a cool looking pose, photo 3- qin na guy starts grabbing things, <apparently some 3-4 missing photo segments>, photo 4- qin na guy suddenly right behind the guy who threw the punch applying some sort of dubious choke.
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    Kama Sutra blue belt.

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    Dude I kill people for a fucking living.

    Dipshit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sri Hanuman View Post
    Ditto.
    The average Qin-na manual goes like this.
    I trained for 3 years with a chin-na specialist, and while he had a bewildering number of locks and some very interesting reversals and escapes, the underlying problem was always the same: why the hell am I grabbing some guy's wrist, and just standing there while he goes through his lock?
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    I guess they don't have BJJ in Bangalore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil D View Post
    Erm...m sorry, all i wanted were ur comments, criticism 2 be specific..
    Yet, all you did was post a bunch of videos with no explanations. You did get comments and they were specific.
  7. W. Rabbit is offline
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    Everyone knows the best way to get information is to put the bad guy's pinky in the old finger bar.

    I have been told by retired police that yeah, wrist locks work great but moreso when the guy has his faced pressed into the grass and your knee is in his back.
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    The vidz? Desperate stuff really.

    Desperate = poor.
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    I'll bite: these are all things I've been subjected to and they hurt and can potentially break joints and whatnot, but to damage the joints there needs to be a great degree of control over the joint (thus, most MMA matches won by joint locks are on the ground). The locks in the videos are targeting the joints that are the easiest to flail and thrash out of, because they're at the end of your arms. Also they require you to stand inside punching range and use both hands to immobilize one of theirs. He tries to negate this by stepping to the outside etc, but it can be a rude awakening when you're trying to apply something and someone smacks you in the face.

    Video #1: techniques where you flex the elbow inward and upward to get a shoulder lock while standing are difficult against real people. If anything real people tend to flex their arms outward intuitively. Also, weird choice of technique to break his posture afterwards.

    Video #2: same comments apply, and the starting grip position is laughably easy to escape from.

    Video #3: in the amount of time it takes to do a semicircular parry, a real person will probably retract the arm, because holding an arm out there like that isn't good sense for anyone. Likewise, when you put someone's wrist in an awkward position but all they have to do is let you go, people let go and try for something else.

    Video #4: pretty much the same as above.

    The last one's like two seconds long so I won't say anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Pepper View Post
    I trained for 3 years with a chin-na specialist
    this is going to come across as rude, but heck, why not just continue... I spent in excess of 20 years doing TCMA with some well known (and not well known) teachers, "chin na specialist" almost always mean someone with no real style/system, making it up as he goes along

    Do we have punching specialists or kicking specialists? How about "foot sweeps with only the left foot" specialists?

    Crap like this (and the videos) are why no one respects "kung fu" and rightly so IMHO
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