Confused by hwa rand do comments.

**Cullion** · Posted On: 5/02/2011 6:15pm

Originally Posted by Fenrirsget

Cullion did that mean holy **** they are good; holy **** they are awful; or holy **** what the hell are they doing?

They're very atheletic but they almost always miss, rarely land for any serious impact and a lot of the time the kicker loses their balance. It's more like an XMA display than a fight.

***DerAuslander*** · Posted On: 5/02/2011 10:47pm

Originally Posted by Fenrirsget

Dr Lee ( who in the above video states that he was clearly creating a new art from the teachings of Suam Dosa as well as his other instructers)

Suam dosa never existed. He was the creation of Joo Bang Lee. None of the Korean Buddhist orders have any record of his existence (which is a huge deal when you consider the importance of lineage in Bulgyo). Further, leading Buddhist masters who do have a documented, provable lineage have stated in interviews that Joo Bang Lee has created a fictional account of his arts origin to give himself legitimacy.

Originally Posted by Fenrirsget

As far as the iron-clad, irrefutable evidence that all or part of Hwa rang do dates back undiluted for greater than a thousand years, I don't think that is either provable or disproveable.

There is zero evidence that any of Lee's claims of lineage to an organization that died out over a thousand years ago is true.

Originally Posted by Fenrirsget

There is good historic evidence that they were later betrayed and outlawed by their own (weak willed) monarch because he feared they were a threat to his centralized power. The remnants retreated to the hinterlands to avoid further persecution. It certainly would not be a unique situation that those displaced nobles would then pass on their knowledge ( martial, philosophic, religous, medicinal) to their progeny.

Actually, no, there is no historic evidence of this claim. Feel free to site any actual Korean historian if you have proof otherwise.

Originally Posted by Fenrirsget

So does Hwa rang do have it's roots in the ancient knowledge of the hwarang..yes.

Prove it.

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 5/02/2011 10:59pm

Thank you Bodhi, Fenrirsget please answer his questions.

***DerAuslander*** · Posted On: 5/02/2011 11:07pm

This forum is ugly as hell.

**CrackFox** · Posted On: 5/03/2011 3:01am

One of the main things I noticed in that video was that while the style is supposed to have a grappling component, and it looked like throws were allowed in the competition, the competitors didn't manage to try anything beyond the odd poorly attempted leg tackle.