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  1. kayman101 is offline

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    OK, I'm in love with the butterfly guard!! I used it today during sparing and expended way less energy while sweeping my opponents into side control and mount. It seemed like I was never in a bad position because my legs were under my opponent instead of being flailed out for the taking. When I felt uncomfortable, I'd just bailed to my knees and started fresh. Sorry, but having my legs wrapped around my opponent made me feel like a cheap whore, and they used me accordingly. I've found a more empowering guard game.
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    JJ Machado has amazing Butterfly guard series instructional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kayman101 View Post
    Sorry, but having my legs wrapped around my opponent made me feel like a cheap whore, and they used me accordingly. I've found a more empowering guard game.
    You can keep playing your game, and mixing it up and experimenting are fun and important...but at the end of the day if your closed guard sucks, and you decide to ignore it and focus on more advanced guard positions, you are ultimately doing yourself a big disservice for your long term improvement.

    The closed guard isn't exactly a position you can ignore in bjj. If you suck at it, you are better off starting w/ someone in your guard every time you roll. Embrace your suckage and improve...don't think you can run from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
    You can keep playing your game, and mixing it up and experimenting are fun and important...but at the end of the day if your closed guard sucks, and you decide to ignore it and focus on more advanced guard positions, you are ultimately doing yourself a big disservice for your long term improvement.

    The closed guard isn't exactly a position you can ignore in bjj. If you suck at it, you are better off starting w/ someone in your guard every time you roll. Embrace your suckage and improve...don't think you can run from it.
    I know, Southpaw, the closed guard is an unavoidable reality. I embrace my suckage daily, on and off the mat. It's just empowering to find a guard that offers me more mobility and options. I like how butterfly guard gives me more control of their base.

    Giburner: I will look into the JJ Machado vids on the butterfly guard. Thanks for the heads up.
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    Hey Kayman, I just realize you're just south of me. You should just make a weekend trek and I could show you some of these moves.
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    It's well worth any trip to train with omega.

    DO YOU HEAR THAT NEAL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega View Post
    Hey Kayman, I just realize you're just south of me. You should just make a weekend trek and I could show you some of these moves.
    I would LOVE to come down and train! I'm taking a cross-country trip the month of June, but have the remainder of the summer off. Maybe mid July?

    Thanks again for the offer; I will be hitting you up on it.
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    We've decided to have a get together May 28th. I may be competing in July so I'll be focusing on that. It's an open invitation just give me a buzz. We're just in Santa Barbara
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    Kayman enjoy your butterfly guard but be careful it was a really bad plateau for me. As in I played nothing but butterfly guard for 6 months and didn't expand my game very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    Kayman enjoy your butterfly guard but be careful it was a really bad plateau for me. As in I played nothing but butterfly guard for 6 months and didn't expand my game very much.
    I don't see why it wouldn't expand your game very much.
    Either you were getting passed and forced you to work on your escapes/getting guard back or you were successful with it and it allowed you to sweep or control your opponent. expanding your game nonetheless.

    Only way I don't see it expanding your game much is if you were already extremely good at butterfly and practiced butterfly for 6 months against opponents that had no answer for it.
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