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  1. PointyShinyBurn is online now
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereBeADragon View Post
    I'd think if nothing else that if a guy keeps breaking peoples limbs no one is going to want to fight him.
    People fight guys who knock people out. Which risks death, not a few months in a cast.

    Plenty of people aggressively crank submissions and seem to be able to get fights. Aoki and Imanari have badly fucked up several of their opponents.

    The reason you don't see a lot of 'instant' joint breaks in MMA (standing armlocks and the like) is that they're super low percentage against people who actually know how to fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    'Irregardless' is not a fucking word. It's 'regardless' or 'irrespective' there is no need to prefix regardless with 'ir' or create a portmanteau, when two perfectly good words already exist to express this notion.

    Seriously, where has this stupid non-word come from?
    Beat me to it.

    Other pet-hates: "orientated" <- fucking what? it's a reconjugation of a conjugated verb. Just like spewing out something you ate, and then vomited already, and then ate again.
    This of course includes "disorientated" and other related, retarded versions of the word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    'Irregardless' is not a fucking word. It's 'regardless' or 'irrespective' there is no need to prefix regardless with 'ir' or create a portmanteau, when two perfectly good words already exist to express this notion.

    Seriously, where has this stupid non-word come from?
    Sadly, technically, irregardless is a word, according to major dictionaries. Everything about your premise is absolutely correct. Its existence comes from a misappropriation of an unnecessary prefix, and its being confused for the more precise "irrespective". Furthermore, using the word "irregardless" makes one sound like an idiot, and serves to instantly prove you a moron to anyone with even a shred of a brain. It's adoption into the lexicon is in every way a concession to ignorance which I find absolutely deplorable. But, technically, it is a word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn View Post
    People fight guys who knock people out. Which risks death, not a few months in a cast.

    Plenty of people aggressively crank submissions and seem to be able to get fights. Aoki and Imanari have badly fucked up several of their opponents.

    The reason you don't see a lot of 'instant' joint breaks in MMA (standing armlocks and the like) is that they're super low percentage against people who actually know how to fight.
    Exactly right. Most of these instant things are best used while being threatened before the attacker realizes that you are fighting. If it doesn't work, then you have to actually fight. Then you need to stick to the high percentage stuff.

    Also a lot of joint locks work better on someone who is holding a club or something. I think a lot of them were intended to be disarms. Then because of non-live training they got bastardized.
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    Ask Rousimar Palhares about "instant" joint breaks. They seem to work for him.
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    it's much easier to break a joint when you've controlled the body first. position before submission. loose limbs are difficult to break.

    to just grab a limb and crank it, you're more likely to cause an injury which will only become apparent once your opponent has cooled down after the fight.

    if you want to destroy a limb, it's much better to get good control and bend it greater than 90 degrees the wrong way. there's an aoki example of this too:

    http://youtu.be/ZpYV4ZQYKy8
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    Ask Rousimar Palhares about "instant" joint breaks. They seem to work for him.
    I don't even like watching him fight. I'm cringing the entire time thinking "watch out for your leg..."
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    Dave Camerillo. Shinya Aoki would disagree. I have DISLOCATED a couple myself and actually broke a bone another time. You don't break a joint you dislocate it.
    Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
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    Should be pretty easy to define tie the bloke down to an instant break move and then discuss if that one is leagal and has any merit.

    For example can you ranger choke somone in UFC?
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    Interesting how, even with a broken arm, Aoki's opponent is not completely incapacitated.

    In this clip you can see how a guy with a broken arm is still able to give some game.



    So you can't count on a instant joint/bone break as a finishing technique in every case, especially if the opponent is not completely under control.
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