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    Quote Originally Posted by nomamao View Post
    I have a feeling this is all a spectators sport. I am interested in what the push hands will look like, though.
    Generally like this:



    I live in Berkeley and will be giving this a miss. Maybe the ICMAC extreeeeeme tui shou in September in the city I'll play in.

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    Uhmm well Uhmmm the youtube comments are uhmmm yeah.

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    I've done plenty of fixed-step as a drill in class, and just to mess around in the park, and I think it's a handy game—you get to feel your own center, learn not to be stiff, have a little fun. I've done lots of moving tui shou, the benefits of which are clear to anyone who has ever been tripped in an elementary school hallway. I have no idea what the heck "restricted step" is supposed to be for and my teacher never even heard of it. Was it made up for tournament play?

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    Pussification of Chinese Martial Arts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivington View Post
    I've done plenty of fixed-step as a drill in class, and just to mess around in the park, and I think it's a handy game—you get to feel your own center, learn not to be stiff, have a little fun.
    Keyword in class. I think it is a good drill.

    I've done lots of moving tui shou,
    I wish we would have dom=ne this correctly. Still, my McDojo did push-hands better than quite a few "real CMA" schools.

    I have no idea what the heck "restricted step" is supposed to be for and my teacher never even heard of it. Was it made up for tournament play?
    Weird.

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    Restricted step means you can make a throw off you opponent but prevent full steps to avoid turning it into moving push hands.


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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Weird.
    They didn't "have it" (restricted step) he said, in either Beijing or Macau when he was kicking around there. Who knows? He's not big into the scene as it were, really. (Which is kind of a relief. Nothing's more tedious than CMA sectarian bullshit and people picking at one another, which seems an near-inevitable result of following tournaments, seminars, Big Names, etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega View Post
    Restricted step means you can make a throw off you opponent but prevent full steps to avoid turning it into moving push hands.
    For people who are too nervous for sweeps? I guess I likely have some blind spot as I went right from fixed to moving without an intermediary and don't get what it might teach that the others don't? Or is it just for the delicate sorts...

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    I wouldn't be surprised if it is something westerners misinterpreted.

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    I thought of fixed step kinda like fencing on a strip. Older fencing can move in any direction, so the fight ends up taking place in a big circle. So why a strip? Because you might have a lot of people in a limited space, and if you had everyone pairing up in big circles, they run into each other, not everyone can play at once, etc. Many strips can be laid right next to each other, so space is used efficiently. Restricted step kinda does the same thing- I've been in tai chi classes with like 10 pairs playing at once in a space where that wouldn't work with moving step.

    However, if you just play lots of fixed step, you'll miss the bus on a lot of things. You can't have a real standing grappling art where you can't move your feet. You just can't.

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