KUNG fu style question

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 4/01/2011 3:25pm

^^^^Ignoring the troll above Omega^^^^

Originally Posted by nysanda

Shuai Jiao is China's "Judo" and as most grappling styles, has always tended to be more grounded in reality. Certainly Chang Tung Sheng taught a practical style, I've seen some mainland stuff that is equally hands on (literally) and practical...

As much as I hate to say it, beware those who say "san da", it has become the "add on" after a long list of traditional Chinese kung fu clap trap...

Correct.

Also, make sure you understand that "grappling" in this context means grabs, throws, wrist control and sweeps. Unless modified there is no CMA that includes "grappling" that is like BJJ, wrestling, or Sambo. Adding this because, people will bicker about the semantics of grappling.

I was one of them.

**nysanda** · Posted On: 4/03/2011 5:40pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

Also, make sure you understand that "grappling" in this context means grabs, throws, wrist control and sweeps. Unless modified there is no CMA that includes "grappling" that is like BJJ, wrestling, or Sambo.

Shuai Jiao has NO ground GRAPPLING as in ne waza in Judo. It is stand up based, and since at least they had sparring and "sport" they tested the throws "live" so to speak. Like I said, one of the more practical of the chinese martial arts

(just being clear)

**bobyclumsyninja** · Posted On: 4/03/2011 10:47pm

Originally Posted by W. Rabbit

I like tiger style for the intense workout. Agree there are some gruesome d34dly techniques in that style that I am pretty sure are effective, like striking locked arms and elbows, but I would never dare use except in the most extreme life and death circumstances (certainly not a random brawl). Self defense may not be a good claim when the "assailant"'s limb is snapped and hanging limply.

The patterns I trained were all knuckles to the eyes, throat, or kick to the groin, and a lot of raking the face. I got very very fast with it, and it did help my cardio, stamina, and I lost lbs quickly via sweat. I was trading for guitar lessons (free), and due to my manic retard grip (20+ years of guitar, and drawing/painting) I thought it would be good.

I, like many nice people, who have been bullied, wanted to be able to be d3adly, but subdue someone without hurting them. I later realized, that it involves knowing clinch/positional control, and immobilizing someone sans fatality skillz, not being so d3adly, and then holding back.

Incidentally, the guitarist who took me to the SanDa school was a former chunner. Forearms like iron...but he spent years trying to be less stiff, possibly a bad habit from teh chun (chun in practice, not theory).

**Rabu** · Posted On: 4/03/2011 11:32pm

During the 30's and 40's, the single most effective and popular style among gangsters and assassins inside of China was the .38 Pistol.

Just sayin.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 4/04/2011 3:18am

Originally Posted by nysanda

Shuai Jiao has NO ground GRAPPLING as in ne waza in Judo. It is stand up based, and since at least they had sparring and "sport" they tested the throws "live" so to speak. Like I said, one of the more practical of the chinese martial arts

(just being clear)

That post was directed at lurkers and the OP not you.

**nysanda** · Posted On: 4/04/2011 9:21am

Originally Posted by Rabu

During the 30's and 40's, the single most effective and popular style among gangsters and assassins inside of China was the .38 Pistol.

Just sayin.

In war and crime, there is no question that guns are the first choice. But, especially in "crime" there is always a need also for close quarters, particularly blades . The Green Gang in Shanghai, in addition to having plenty of pistols, also did have a relationship with a particular kung fu school.

**Sri Hanuman** · Posted On: 4/04/2011 10:21am

Frankly so did the Boxer Society, the Eight Trigram Sect, as well as the While Lotus Sect. All still got taken down by a carefully placed shot.

**nysanda** · Posted On: 4/04/2011 3:34pm

Originally Posted by Sri Hanuman

Frankly so did the Boxer Society, the Eight Trigram Sect, as well as the While Lotus Sect. All still got taken down by a carefully placed shot.

Sort of irrelevant to what I was saying, ie that Chinese martial arts WERE used (successfully or not) for close combat. Whether they were effective or not, and why they weren't is a seperate discussion. IMHO of course