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  1. Kintanon is offline
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    How to Conduct Yourself in a Discussion




    Seriously, this should be a sticky and anyone that doesn't abide by it should probably be relegated to trollshido permanently.
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    Need's caveman instruction.
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    "1. Do not introduce new arguments while another argument has yet to be resolved" is a bit fatuous since one's arguments can be, and often are, based on other arguments. Working backwards toward axioms is fine in a discussion.
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    I think that's more of the "Don't jump ship from the point you are losing on to a new and unrelated point just because you can't support your first argument." Obviously if you can draw a logical path of support from one argument to another then it would be considered supporting the original argument, however if the two are unrelated then no such path can be drawn and you are simply trying to avoid having to admit that your argument is flawed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kintanon View Post
    I think that's more of the "Don't jump ship from the point you are losing on to a new and unrelated point just because you can't support your first argument."
    Indeed. Presumably it’s meant to counter the tactic known as the “Gish Gallop”:
    Quote Originally Posted by http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop
    The Gish Gallop is an informal name for a rhetorical technique in debates that involves drowning the opponent in half-truths, lies, straw men, and bullshit to such a degree that the opponent cannot possibly answer every falsehood that has been raised, usually resulting in many involuntary twitches in frustration as the opponent struggles to decide where to start. It is named after creationism activist and professional debater Duane Gish.
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    This is pretty good. I think a lot of folks think discussion = verbal combat instead of an exchange of ideas.

    Unfortunately, you can't choke someone out with a keyboard. (can you?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tao.jonez View Post
    Unfortunately, you can't choke someone out with a keyboard. (can you?)
    It’s easy unless it’s wireless.
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    Incidently, Frank Dux's method is the Gish Gallop.
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    Quick question, where does likening the other guy's position to Hitler's or the Nazi party's fit in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ojgsxr6 View Post
    Quick question, where does likening the other guy's position to Hitler's or the Nazi party's fit in?
    Only a Nazi would ask this kind of thing.
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