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  1. Lindz is offline

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    Who is this Okano person and why is his opinion held in such high regard?

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    It hardly needs saying that Okano-Sensei was Gold Medalist in the middle-weight category at the 1964 Tokyo Olympics, as well as two-time winner of the All-Japan Judo Championships (still holding the record for lightest-weight champion). Having also won the 1965 World Judo Championships (middle-weight category), he is one of the very few in Japan to hold the triple crown of Olympic, All-Japan and World titles. He presently holds no official post in Japanese judo circles, but his skills and his unwavering stance toward upholding the fundamentals of judo command respect both at home and abroad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindz View Post
    Who is this Okano person and why is his opinion held in such high regard?

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    He is one of the greatest Judoists over the past 50 years. Multiple winner of the All Japan (lightest to ever win it), gold medalist in 1964 Olympics, world champion, and he has also coached gold medalists as well. There are higher ranked Japanese judoka in the world that have accomplished far less which is why I think it's outrageous he's only a rokudan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    That video is great. It's obvious in that first exchange that Okano's opponent can't figure out what to do against those fast continuous attacks, and in the second exchange his combination is perfectly timed.

    I especially like what Okano has to say about newaza. Thankfully it seems like referees are allowing a bit more time for competitors to work on the ground lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isao Okano-sensei
    ...Judogi had their origins in the Japanese kimono, and because kimono are loose-fitting, this made it possible to execute a wide range of techniques, and that led to judo’s distinctive “Sho yoku dai wo seisu (small can conquer large)” character. The outfit formerly used in jujitsu was relatively close fitting, but modern-day judo brought in judogi with a fuller, looser fit....
    It doesn't matter where the judogi came from. "Loose-fitting kimono"??? Who cares? The judogi is the uniform, that's what judo players wear. The idea of a overly loose-fitting kimono seems quite ridiculous, there's no reason to be so attached to what people wore over a century ago.

    ...When you watch Newaza in matches these days, you find a tendency to lie face down on the mat waiting for the referee to help you out with a “Mate” call. With tactics like this, Newaza are as good as dead. Turning your back on your opponent means getting attacked from behind, and that kind of tactic has no place in the martial arts. You have to lie face up and spar. Shouldn’t they be considering laying penalties on athletes so passive as to lie face down waiting for help from the referee? That would be one way to get Newaza back to the position it deserves....
    I think someone should inform this guy of the rules, he seems to be confusing Judo with actual fighting arts. If the judo players are following the rules of competition, who cares what they do? Loopholes are there to take advantage of.
    (I think there may be a problem with the translation considering the spelling & grammatical errors in that article. It seems pretty charged politically.)
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude View Post
    It doesn't matter where the judogi came from. "Loose-fitting kimono"??? Who cares? The judogi is the uniform, that's what judo players wear. The idea of a overly loose-fitting kimono seems quite ridiculous, there's no reason to be so attached to what people wore over a century ago.
    You completely missed the main point of his argument for a looser fitting gi. The clothes that competitors wear affects what techniques can be used and how they will be performed. His feelings are that a looser gi is needed to properly perform Judo techniques both in practice and in competition.


    I think someone should inform this guy of the rules, he seems to be confusing Judo with actual fighting arts. If the judo players are following the rules of competition, who cares what they do? Loopholes are there to take advantage of.
    (I think there may be a problem with the translation considering the spelling & grammatical errors in that article. It seems pretty charged politically.)
    The man is a two time All Japan champion, world champion, and Olympic gold medalist as well as being a highly respected coach with decades of experience. I think he knows a thing or two about competition and rules. He also recognizes that Judo goes beyond competition, and newaza should never have been marginalized to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Guess View Post
    You completely missed the main point of his argument for a looser fitting gi. The clothes that competitors wear affects what techniques can be used and how they will be performed. His feelings are that a looser gi is needed to properly perform Judo techniques both in practice and in competition.
    The first thing I was taught to do when I think I need to loosen up a lapel grip is to yank that baby the hell up out of the belt, loosen it up myself. It's not rocket science.

    The man is a two time All Japan champion, world champion, and Olympic gold medalist as well as being a highly respected coach with decades of experience. I think he knows a thing or two about competition and rules. He also recognizes that Judo goes beyond competition, and newaza should never have been marginalized to begin with.
    I think the IJF knows what it's doing. (by his own words, he doesn't have "an accurate grasp" on some of the new rules & hasn't seen many international competitions)
    & besides, he later admitted that he liked what he saw under the new rules with respect to usage of more fundamental Judo techniques.
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

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